Unfortunately, no. Accordin to Cap USA, she might (I say "might" cuz even tho she is stated to be, I refuse to accept it cuz it's retarded) actually be canon. And even still, she is further stated to be an actual SF character who could potentially appear again...and she does, unfortunately.
So in a general statement about the entire cast of SF, she damn well should be included...if you know yur shit.
Originally posted by No End N Site
UDON is actually quite famous for accurately portrayin SF and DS characters quite well. As such, while CFE is not canon (far from it, so I wont argue for the feats being canon) none of the feats in that game are "over powered". Infact, the game actually presents canon information, not yet introduced to US shores.
CFE is about as logical as MVC since its basically fanservice of a bunch of characters that don't exist in the same universe as each other or on the same level of power as one another going around and punching each other in the face. It includes the likes of Dan/Sakura/Ryu/etc... fighting off against the Darkstalkers cast which includes Pyron, aka, Mr. Walking Sun Who Wears Planets As Rings In His Ending. It's about as indicative of canon feats as pretty much any other crossover game, which is to say not at all since they couldn't hope to sell a game where fan favorites end up being horribly murdered by ancient space monsters. Just because one company owns all the properties being crossed over, or even if there's some sort of story behind it all, doesn't mean that the characters are all at their original power levels. Look at Final Fantasy Dissidia, which has the likes of Sephiroth being considered peers of people like ExDeath, Kefka and Kuja despite having never having the opportunity to reach their level in the game (seeing as how his feats were much lower and he was stopped before he could achieve his ultimate form, which is pretty much unheard of in Final Fantasy).
Your logic does not apply. MVC is a multi-comapny crossover stated to take place in completely separate universes. CFE is an all Capcom production and is presented as a "what if", these characters ever met? This is further proven by the fact that [b]all of the featured character's previous canons are left intact and are referenced quite often in the game, unlike MVC.[/b]
Heck, the Asura's Wrath DLC is an intra-company crossover that starts with Ryu just walking out of a portal and challenging Asura (who should right now be too busy fighting a one man war against those who have betrayed him, stole his daughter, and are abusing humanity) to a fight. And has base Ryu surviving being punched to the moon and both base Ryu and Akuma being able to breath on the moon. And Akuma somehow being turned to stone and fighting on 500 years later without being a divinely powered cyborg who did that repeatedly throughout the game.
Actually, let's go back to that for a second: BASE Ryu (the guy who canonically lost against both Sakura and Ken during SF Alpha -admittedly, due to not focusing- if the headband swaps are canon, which it looks like they are going by the various costumes, IIRC) took an uppercut that ended with him being smashed into the moon, and survived mostly unharmed. That alone should show how insanely their power levels have been jacked up; unless there's some evidence that Ryu is a million times more powerful than anyone else in SF, and that using the Satsui no Hadou multiplies your power a thousandfold, then everything he and Akuma did are insanely out of line for anything they actually have feats for.
So you've seen Evil Ryu and Oni fight in canon? Pleez show me where you saw this. I've been waitin ages to see Evil Ryu and even Shin Akuma fight someone in canon. I'm glade someone's finally found somethin showin these characters in action.
Ryu carved Sagat's chest open when he gave into the Satsui no Hadou and hit him with a full out (Shin?) Shoryuken while his guard was down, and, IIRC, did not launch him into the sun. Also he went full out evil and started smacking down C. Viper in the canon prequel for SFIV, and while he was overwhelmingly powerful for the normal SF power levels, he wasn't leveling the country they were standing in or traveling at hypersonic speeds.
IIRC, Canonically Gouki went full out against Gouken and Gen off screen, who while impressive, weren't in the moon-shattering tier by any measure. IIRC, Shin Oni suggests that Cody might be on his tier if he ever went full out.
Wrong again. Your quoted above this statement is laughably false? He's not even older than Ryu and Ken combined, and there are a slew of characters older (way older) than Akuma. Infact, all but 1 of his peers in power is older than him, that being Bison. And hell, even Bison could be older than Akuma. Even Gill, in reality is twice as old as Akuma, at least.
Yeah, its already been noted that I was talking about Asura, but, Gods above, I will never forgive you for reminding me about Ingrid.
Geez, yeah she might be a billion trillion years old and spent all that time beating up Yahweh, Zeus, and Vishnu for their cosmic lunch money until she went back in time to the future to marry Ryu and Ken's kid and have a baby which turns out to be herself who then goes on to marry Draco Malfoy, or something equally ridiculous.
So let me correct myself: barring characters of unknown age that have pretty much zero actual impact on the main canon and seem like they fell out of some horrible fanfic, Asura is at least 2 orders of magnitude older than everyone else in the SF canon combined and spent most of that time fighting against highly skilled warriors and the stone and lava monsters formed from the Wrath of the Earth itself.
Originally posted by No End N Site
Unfortunately, no. Accordin to Cap USA, she might (I say "might" cuz even tho she is stated to be, I refuse to accept it cuz it's retarded) actually be canon. And even still, she is further stated to be an actual SF character who could potentially appear again...and she does, unfortunately.
She hadn't made any other SF appearance besides Alpha 3. Unless you wanna count that SFxT comic, which is also non-canon.
Originally posted by No End N Site
So in a general statement about the entire cast of SF, she damn well should be included...if you know yur shit.
I really see no reason to.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
If SF characters are fighting the top tier of Darkstalkers, then either one side was seriously depowered or the other side was seriously powered up.
1. DS top tiers are notorious for holdin back.
2. Besides Rose, what SF character actually fought a DS in that game's story?
3. Beatin other characters is not a show of strength or a feat, it's a plot detail. It doesn't discredit any feat shown in the game.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
CFE is about as logical as MVC since its basically fanservice of a bunch of characters that don't exist in the same universe as each other or on the same level of power as one another going around and punching each other in the face. It includes the likes of Dan/Sakura/Ryu/etc... fighting off against the Darkstalkers cast which includes Pyron, aka, Mr. Walking Sun Who Wears Planets As Rings In His Ending. It's about as indicative of canon feats as pretty much any other crossover game, which is to say not at all since they couldn't hope to sell a game where fan favorites end up being horribly murdered by ancient space monsters. Just because one company owns all the properties being crossed over, or even if there's some sort of story behind it all, doesn't mean that the characters are all at their original power levels. Look at Final Fantasy Dissidia, which has the likes of Sephiroth being considered peers of people like ExDeath, Kefka and Kuja despite having never having the opportunity to reach their level in the game (seeing as how his feats were much lower and he was stopped before he could achieve his ultimate form, which is pretty much unheard of in Final Fantasy).
😂A wall of text that completely ignores what I told you. To make things worse, respondin to it would require me to repeat myself. Not gonna do it.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid Heck, the Asura's Wrath DLC is an intra-company crossover that starts with Ryu just walking out of a portal and challenging Asura (who should right now be too busy fighting a one man war against those who have betrayed him, stole his daughter, and are abusing humanity) to a fight. And has base Ryu surviving being punched to the moon and both base Ryu and Akuma being able to breath on the moon. And Akuma somehow being turned to stone and fighting on 500 years later without being a divinely powered cyborg who did that repeatedly throughout the game.[/B]
That crossover does not behave in the same way CFJ does. To explain this would require me to, again repeat myself, since you ignored my previous simple statement. Not gonna do it.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
Actually, let's go back to that for a second: BASE Ryu (the guy who canonically lost against both Sakura and Ken during SF Alpha -admittedly, due to not focusing- if the headband swaps are canon, which it looks like they are going by the various costumes, IIRC) took an uppercut that ended with him being smashed into the moon, and survived mostly unharmed. That alone should show how insanely their power levels have been jacked up; unless there's some evidence that Ryu is a million times more powerful than anyone else in SF, and that using the Satsui no Hadou multiplies your power a thousandfold, then everything he and Akuma did are insanely out of line for anything they actually have feats for.
The above statement is actually so ridiculous that it deserves a nasty insult, but I wont do it.
The same series you refer to has Ryu in his early to mid 20s (over 10 years before his current form), tankin island smashin punches in a fight with Akuma. The same series you refer to has Ryu one shots an opponent who reduces cities like Hong Kong, to dust on a whim. I'm not arguin that Ryu can tank a punch to the moon (idk that, Ryu's current lvl of power is unknown) but basin the fact that he can't off of a very old set of prequel games is...well...it's just stupid.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
Ryu carved Sagat's chest open when he gave into the Satsui no Hadou and hit him with a full out (Shin?) Shoryuken while his guard was down, and, IIRC, did not launch him into the sun. Also he went full out evil and started smacking down C. Viper in the canon prequel for SFIV, and while he was overwhelmingly powerful for the normal SF power levels, he wasn't leveling the country they were standing in or traveling at hypersonic speeds.
Ryu didn't turn into Evil Ryu when he fought Sagat and he didn't go Evil Ryu when he fought Viper. He used a very lil bit of the SNH and when he fought Sagat, Ryu may have been still in his teens. Do you even know what Evil Ryu looks like?
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
IIRC, Canonically Gouki went full out against Gouken and Gen off screen, who while impressive, weren't in the moon-shattering tier by any measure. IIRC, Shin Oni suggests that Cody might be on his tier if he ever went full out.
Another statement well worth its wait in ridicule. The events you mentioned took place before even SFI. All, except Gen were much weaker than they are now. Akuma didn't even have a "Shin" form at that point. And Gen doesn't need moon smashin when he can kill you with a touch.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
So let me correct myself: barring characters of unknown age that have pretty much zero actual impact on the main canon
Oh she had alotta impact...You seem like a decent guy but if you aint gonna check yur facts before you post'em, I'm gonna ignore you from here on out.
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Originally posted by Bro SMASH
She hadn't made any other SF appearance besides Alpha 3. Unless you wanna count that SFxT comic, which is also non-canon.
SFxT counts as an appearance. It shows Ingrid has not been forgotten, she's still a SF character.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
I really see no reason to.
Capcom USA (the people who own SF) said, if a character appears, regularly selectable in a main SF game, they were there. It sounds stupid but that's word of God. So you may see no reason to, but you'd be factually incorrect in doin so.
Originally posted by stargun
Unless word of god says otherwise yes it does. Ingrid's every bit as canon as R. Mika and Karin, both of which have only been in Alpha 3 just like her.
Hell, what about Eagle and Maki? Were they not in SFA3? Now I agree it's totally stupid for Yun (absolutely nonsensical) and Ingrid to be their. But hey, it is what it is.
Originally posted by No End N Site
1. DS top tiers are notorious for holdin back.2. Besides Rose, what SF character actually fought a DS in that game's story?
3. Beatin other characters is not a show of strength or a feat, it's a plot detail. It doesn't discredit any feat shown in the game.
😂A wall of text that completely ignores what I told you. To make things worse, respondin to it would require me to repeat myself. Not gonna do it.
That crossover does not behave in the same way CFJ does. To explain this would require me to, again repeat myself, since you ignored my previous simple statement. Not gonna do it.
The above statement is actually so ridiculous that it deserves a nasty insult, but I wont do it.
Very well. How about "CFE is a non-canon What If crossover with no viable feats except that they reference events that happened in their own crossover timeline that we never saw, and therefore mentioning it or bringing up a feats that happened in an ending that probably wasn't even the canon one (assuming that there is even a canon ending) and is lightyears beyond anything that any character in his own timeline has ever even come close to beginning to conceive of approaching is a disingenuous distraction at best?"
The same series you refer to has Ryu in his early to mid 20s (over 10 years before his current form), tankin island smashin punches in a fight with Akuma. The same series you refer to has Ryu one shots an opponent who reduces cities like Hong Kong, to dust on a whim. I'm not arguin that Ryu can tank a punch to the moon (idk that, Ryu's current lvl of power is unknown) but basin the fact that he can't off of a very old set of prequel games is...well...it's just stupid.
Island smashing punches from whom? Akuma, who sank his own mysterious island that seemed to be linked to him somehow after fighting Ryu and drastically holding back the entire time to test him out? The same Ryu who Akuma told would find that the fights up to then would be child's play once he mastered the Satsui no Hadou? The same Ryu who, when Akuma punched the ground and caused a relatively small explosion was to basically go "What the hell is happening?" before the island "disappeared" along with Akuma's presence? The same Ryu that, in Oro's ending, was shown straining while holding up a boulder the size of a van during the ending of SFIII (as well as Oro, who was sitting on top of the boulder and casually balancing a significantly smaller boulder on his finger tips), the most recent SF in canon?
And did Ryu ever actually get hit by the attack that vaporizes Hong Kong, or did the person who did that move have any indication that his durability is anywhere in the same region as that? Cause if you're referring to SFA Bison, in his ending he blew up that city by draining Ryu's ki (or that of anyone who lost against him in their bad endings, IIRC) and running it through his Psycho Drive and using it to fuel an orbital laser, while in Ryu's ending, Bison tried to possess Ryu and Ryu fought off the corruption and uppercut Bison's empty body which caused him to explode... just like what happens when pretty much anyone beats Bison? Dude was basically a hand grenade filled pinata in that way.
Are you gonna claim that Karin is a city buster who can beat someone with Hong Kong razing power because she ordered an orbital strike on Bison's facilities with him in them in what was hopefully a joke ending?
In any case, though, Even if Ryu or Akuma are somehow durable enough to tank a punch to the moon, they doesn't have any way of returning or breathing in space, so the much faster Asura wins by default.
Ryu didn't turn into Evil Ryu when he fought Sagat and he didn't go Evil Ryu when he fought Viper. He used a very lil bit of the SNH and when he fought Sagat, Ryu may have been still in his teens. Do you even know what Evil Ryu looks like?
😆 😂 🤣 This is ridiculous.
Another statement well worth its wait in ridicule. The events you mentioned took place [b]before
even SFI. All, except Gen were much weaker than they are now. Akuma didn't even have a "Shin" form at that point. And Gen doesn't need moon smashin when he can kill you with a touch. [/b]
The heck? "Shin" Akuma isn't a separate form, its the designation for when Akuma isn't holding back (before that Oni thing came along which is when Akuma releases his morals and Shin Oni which is when Oni pushes past the last fragments of Akuma's resistance). It's his natural state, when he's not just testing someone out. Is there any indication that Akuma, the guy who had mastered his art decades ago and rarely ever finds anyone worth fighting, got any stronger at all during the series? EDIT: Removed Gen line because I misunderstood your statement. My bad.
And fortunately, Asura is well more than strong enough to kill Akuma with a touch, especially if he's unfortunate enough to fight Vajra or Mantra Asura, like he was in that DLC. Assuming he doesn't choose to just destroy him from a distance with a machine gun hail of attacks that can hit blow up massive space ships/armadas tens/hundreds of miles away almost instantly.
Her impact was that she was allegedly stronger than Bison/Rose, which wasn't carried out by feats, that she was the source of the Psycho Power, which was never mentioned again in any SF game after Alpha III, and her ending isn't even canon since it would involve taking away a statue that was there for all subsequent games. So yeah, no affect on actual canon, and no one in the series references her except in SFvsT, which is also not canon.Oh she had alotta impact...You seem like a decent guy but if you aint gonna check yur facts before you post'em, I'm gonna ignore you from here on out.
Also, fun fact: In the epilogue of Asura's Wrath,
Spoiler:
FULLY HUMAN Asura sees a meteor about to hit the city and runs forward to catch it, though the game ends there wihtout showing what happens next.
Originally posted by stargun
Unless word of god says otherwise yes it does. Ingrid's every bit as canon as R. Mika and Karin, both of which have only been in Alpha 3 just like her.
Just simply appearing in SF doesn't mean it was a canon appearance. That goes for plenty of fighting games. Plus, Ingrid was added in a much later upgrade, while R. Mika and Karin have been there since the first version. They were meant to be there from the beginning, unlike Ingrid.
Originally posted by No End N Site
Capcom USA (the people who own SF) said, if a character appears,
regularly selectable in a main SF game, they were there. It sounds stupid but that's word of God. So [b]you may see no reason to, but you'd be factually incorrect in doin so. [/B]
Not really. They likely weren't referring to Ingrid when they said that because remember, Yun was in that game. But both of them were added long after the canon events of the game was complete.
Of course, I'm not disputing over rather or not she's a SF character but even if she is, she still may not be part of the canon storyline.
Yeah, I'm not gonna waste the time givin you long drawn out responses since you refuse to check the shit you slap up here; so that you can be better armed for a proper debate.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
Very well. How about "CFE is a non-canon What If crossover with no viable feats except that they reference events that happened in their own crossover timeline that we never saw, and therefore mentioning it or bringing up a feats that happened in an ending that probably wasn't even the canon one (assuming that there is even a canon ending) and is lightyears beyond anything that any character in his own timeline has ever even come close to beginning to conceive of approaching is a disingenuous distraction at best?"
Wrong. You are either ignorin me or not understandin what's being told to you.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
Island smashing punches from whom? Akuma, who sank his own mysterious island that seemed to be linked to him somehow after fighting Ryu and drastically holding back the entire time to test him out? The same Ryu who Akuma told would find that the fights up to then would be child's play once he mastered the Satsui no Hadou? The same Ryu who, when Akuma punched the ground and caused a relatively small explosion was to basically go "What the hell is happening?" before the island "disappeared" along with Akuma's presence? The same Ryu that, in Oro's ending, was shown straining while holding up a boulder the size of a van during the ending of SFIII (as well as Oro, who was sitting on top of the boulder and casually balancing a significantly smaller boulder on his finger tips), the most recent SF in canon?
Wrong again. Akuma blows the island up with a punch, you can see the pieces rain down on Ryu in his ending. Akuma was holdin back by not goin Shin, unless you wanna make the silly claim he was holdin back while holdin back. 😂
SFIII Ryu is as powerful as SFIII Shin Akuma. A huge jump in power lvls since SFA. So judgin what Ryu can and can't take based on SFA is, again, stupid. My advice, don't do it
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
And did Ryu ever actually get hit by the attack that vaporizes Hong Kong, or did the person who did that move have any indication that his durability is anywhere in the same region as that? Cause if you're referring to SFA Bison, in his ending he blew up that city by draining Ryu's ki (or that of anyone who lost against him in their bad endings, IIRC) and running it through his Psycho Drive and using it to fuel an orbital laser, while in Ryu's ending, Bison tried to possess Ryu and Ryu fought off the corruption and uppercut Bison's empty body which caused him to explode... just like what happens when pretty much anyone beats Bison? Dude was basically a hand grenade filled pinata in that way.Are you gonna claim that Karin is a city buster who can beat someone with Hong Kong razing power because she ordered an orbital strike on Bison's facilities with him in them in what was hopefully a joke ending?
Clearly, you haven't done a lick of research. The P.Drive shoots Psycho Power. 😂 Bison wields Psycho Power. There is literally no reason to assume he can't replicate,at his fullest, what he was able to do with his own power, havin a single person in the Drive. Especially since the P.Drive is shown blowin up Hong Kong with no one in it, in several endings. The victim in the P.Drive is needed cuz his body can't handle 6 billion somethin souls fuelin his power. The city bustin is Bison usin the power of 1 person to fuel his Psycho power. Possessin the body of Ryu or Cammy would allow Bison to wield the entire world supply. And by your own statements, SFA3 Ryu has the power to blow up cities, which is the same as him fightin someone who can blow up cities. lmao
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
SFA's Evil Ryu ending was pretty clear that Ryu had turned to Evil Ryu at the time that he'd scarred Sagat. Even though its not the canon ending, it probably counts as canon info since its referencing something that happened before the game, and that the retcon is consistent with the rest of the series. As for what he looked like, SFIV's Evil Ryu changed his character design from SFA's but its the same character.
No.
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
The heck? "Shin" Akuma isn't a separate form, its the designation for when Akuma isn't holding back (before that Oni thing came along which is when Akuma releases his morals and Shin Oni which is when Oni pushes past the last fragments of Akuma's resistance). It's his natural state, when he's not just testing someone out. Is there any indication that Akuma, the guy who had mastered his art decades ago and rarely ever finds anyone worth fighting, got any stronger at all during the series? EDIT: Removed Gen line because I misunderstood your statement. My bad.
The events you mention (lmao which took place before the very 1st SF) was Akuma at a state before he even needed to hold back cuz he wasn't as strong as he is now. When Akuma goes all out, his hair turns white or his gi turns purple or both. None of that happened in the events you name.
And indication of Akuma gettin any stronger than SFA? Please tell me yur jokin. This has to be the most ridiculous statement ever asked in regards to this. I know some vets around here who are gonna have a great laugh at this one. So in the ten years between SFA and SFIII, every single one of Akuma's endings has him trainin his ass off, yet there is reason to question whether or not Akuma has gotten any stronger?
Wait so let me get this straight, Ryu trains and by the time of SFIV, not only does he surpass his SFA self, he surpasses SFA2 Akuma and by the time of SFIII he surpasses Shin Evil Ryu who was strong enough to beat up SFIV Shin Akuma. And even though Akuma is shown trainin at greater extremes than Ryu, Akuma's power may not have increased at all, but boy did Ryu's sky rocket.
This is hilarious! Source guides state that Ryu, by the time of SFIII, completely replaces the SNH with another power. Evil Ryu in SFIV is an even more powerful boss over Shin Akuma (right bellow Oni) and that power is surpassed or equaled in SFIII, yet and still, Ryu who is equal to or stronger than Shin Evil Ryu at this point, loses to a one armed Oro. Akuma then stalemates Oro (both holdin back). Akuma stalemates a character who is more-way more powerful than he himself was a few years ago. Still there are some people in the world who would question whether or not Akuma increased in power between the time of SFA2 and SFIII. This is a definitely a classic!
Originally posted by Drunkard Kid
Her impact was that she was allegedly stronger than Bison/Rose, which wasn't carried out by feats, that she was the source of the Psycho Power, which was never mentioned again in any SF game after Alpha III, and her ending isn't even canon since it would involve taking away a statue that was there for all subsequent games. So yeah, no affect on actual canon, and no one in the series references her except in SFvsT, which is also not canon.
Again, no.
This post was even worse than the last one. You can respond to this if you want to, I'll give you the last word. But I'm just gonna ignore you on this subject til' I see some progress in yur game, good sir.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Just simply appearing in SF doesn't mean it was a canon appearance.
Accordin to Capcom, this is all it takes. Being in a main SF game and not being a secret character makes you canon.
Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Not really. They likely weren't referring to Ingrid when they said that because remember, Yun was in that game. But both of them were added long after the canon events of the game was complete.Of course, I'm not disputing over rather or not she's a SF character but even if she is, she still may not be part of the canon storyline.
No, it was in fact, a direct question regardin Ingrid. Before you disagree with me about it, just coulda just google it 1st, damn! I'll try and find the interview.
If you've read my above posts, I agree that the statement is dumb cuz of the very fact they Yun was there. But they said what they said so...You gotta remember, Capcom doesn't give a damn about a story, at least when it's a fightin game.
Yeah, I do want to see this interview because I sure don't remember it.
I did read your above post about Yun but sometimes, you just can't go by everything Capcom says. The fact that Capcom never even explained her absence during the events of SF4 kind of makes it seem like Ingrid was dropped as a SF character.
It appears as tho the site where the Q&A originally took place no longer exists. However, the statement has raised a ton of eyebrows so the transcript of that section of the interview is posted everywhere and here it is
Mike's Question
Lastly, let’s stop the fan bickering and confusion right now. As far as your concerned is Ingrid truly a Street Fighter character? Because of the way she was introduced and the version of Street Fighter Alpha 3 she was in, people feel she does not belong. Please clear this up so fans know whether or not to complain about her not being included in Super Street Fighter IV.
Seth's Response
Full disclosure: I’m a friend of Ingrid’s creator (who also snuck a few of her concepts into Yattaman #2 in Tatsunoko Vs Capcom: Ultimate All-Stars), so I might be biased. That said, while I’m not sure about her future, I do think her inclusion in Capcom Fighting Evolution cemented her place in the official Street Fighter canon.
Here's where I found the transcript...