What if- JMS Thor vs Pak Hulk

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
His showing against Iron Man and in Africa are all stuff I can see normal Thor doing, but his resurrection of the Asgardians and bringing Asgard and its artifacts to Midgard as well as his battles against the Destroyer Armor and Bor are clearly beyond that of Thor's normal capabilities, imo.

Come to think of it, Thor forcibly plucking Steve's spirit from his time-loop is also pretty impressive considering that time manipulation had been removed from Mjolnir's capabilities by Immortus years ago.

Ok about the Asgard to Earth feat, Thor just teleported it from Asgard Space and fixed it up witht he storm? Or did he create it from scratch like Odin did during Fear Itself?

I agree, OF Thor definitely had feats beyond Classic Thor. I'd place him at low trans reaching mid personally.

Originally posted by Damborgson
Ok about the Asgard to Earth feat, Thor just teleported it from Asgard Space and fixed it up witht he storm? Or did he create it from scratch like Odin did during Fear Itself?

I agree, OF Thor definitely had feats beyond Classic Thor. I'd place him at low trans reaching mid personally.

Well, considering the dimension of Asgard was basically destroyed, I'm inclined to say he created the city out of nowhere and just tapping into the Odin Force to form it.

Fraction, Bendis, and JMS all had different views as far as Asgard's native dimension goes, though. Under JMS, it was basically destroyed, Bendis described the other realms still existing independent of Asgard, and Fraction is kind of doing a combination of the two ideas, imo.

Pak said Hulk could challenge galactus. if he wanted to, he would write hulk beating rune king thor or atleast stalemating him.

if we use rulk as a measuring stick, hulk is insanely powerful

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Pak said Hulk could challenge galactus. if he wanted to he would write hulk beating rune king thor or atleast stalemating him

Joe Casey said nothing short of Classic Beyonder could stop Superman. Means little at the end of the day. It also doesn't help that Pak did write Hulk versus a skyfather and we all know how that happened.

And who says Pak would write the fight to begin with? If Jurgens, Oeming, or JMS - all writers who handled Thor with the Odin Force to some degree - wrote the fight, Hulk would probably get dismissed like a non threat.

Originally posted by Damborgson
He thinks OF Thor is a mid herald. There's no arguing against that type of thought process.

I did not

OF thor in my estimation is high herald...which is where I place classic thor as well

the only areas OF thor impressed me were nonbattle feats (ie conjuring Asgard)

fighting-wise, he's high-herald

Originally posted by Starscream M
pls quote where I ever said OF thor is midherald

I did not

OF thor in my estimation is high herald...which is where I place classic thor as well

the only areas OF thor impressed me were nonbattle feats (ie conjuring Asgard)

fighting-wise, he's high-herald

I'll look for the thread when I have time. Your argument was even worse at first though. You said he was low herald.

Fighting wise he's low trans at least. You don't survive attacks that would have killed you in a weaker state and somehow stay the same level.

Originally posted by Damborgson
I'll look for the thread when I have time. Your argument was even worse at first though. You said he was low herald.

Fighting wise he's low trans at least. You don't survive attacks that would have killed you in a weaker state and somehow stay the same level.

but if you could find it, that'd be great

I don't know someone can reconcile Thor tanking the Destroyer's blast, which killed him before, or enduring an attack deliberately stated to have slain him without the Odin Force as Thor being on the same level as his normal self. I really don't. JMS was pretty obvious that by the time Thor #600 came out that Thor was amped. And Dr. Strange's comments of restoring Thor to what he was before the Odin Force amp should clear any misconception up.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I don't know someone can reconcile Thor tanking the Destroyer's blast, which killed him before, or enduring an attack deliberately stated to have slain him without the Odin Force. I really don't. JMS was pretty obvious that by the time Thor #600 came out that Thor was amped. And Dr. Strange's comments of restoring Thor to what he was before the Odin Force amp should clear any misconception up.

He can't because he didn't read the issues or any Thor comic for that matter as evidenced by practically everything he says. Doubt he even fully looked at the scans, just glanced and went back to his Thor sucks blog.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
Again, it's PAK's Hulk. PAK's.

What kind of chance Thor got here? Heck, Pak's Hulk take every version of Thor in history for a majority.

The same Pak that had Zeus manhandled Hulk 😆

edit. Thanks Jake.

Originally posted by carver9
OF Thor is low to mid trans IMO. Question...Thor was still in possession of the OF when he rebuilt that moon (after his battle of destroying it) right? Another question. Him rebuilding the moon drained him of his powers right and him rebuilding his hammer took the OF completely from him right? If all of this is true, I would put him around low trans. If he wasn't drained after all of this, then I would put him around Mid trans.

Different Odin Force Thor.

The Thor you're thinking of was King Thor, early on in the Reigning, not OF Thor from the relaunch.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Different Odin Force Thor.

The Thor you're thinking of was King Thor, early on in the Reigning, not OF Thor from the relaunch.

After crushing his hammer on Bor...didn't he use the Odom force to create it back which basically took the power from him?

Originally posted by carver9
After crushing his hammer on Bor...didn't he use the Odom force to create it back which basically took the power from him?

Dr. Strange reforged the hammer using what was left of the Odin Force, sealing the power within the hammer. Supposedly, if the hammer is ever damaged or destroyed again, Thor could die as the Mjolnir is now linked with his life force.

I admit, I didn't keep up with OF Thor...seen a couple of runs with him and got bored of the character. Fear Thor imo is one of the best Thors out.

Originally posted by carver9
I admit, I didn't keep up with OF Thor...seen a couple of runs with him and got bored of the character. Fear Thor imo is one of the best Thors out.

There wasn't really a lot of "runs" with OF Thor. Just what JMS wrote during the relaunch and the sporadic cameos in other titles which didn't even mention the OF amp. But I can see why you'd love Fraction-Thor over JMS-Thor.

If anyone needs any of current Thor runs please let me know...have all of it saved on my drive.

Originally posted by jalek moye
He can't because he didn't read the issues or any Thor comic for that matter as evidenced by practically everything he says. Doubt he even fully looked at the scans, just glanced and went back to his Thor sucks blog.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bruce is getting called out. The sad thing is he just takes it.

Just like I called you out?