Which is better: Avengers or The Dark Knight?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ok this page has become a hardcore movie critics one.

TDK and Avengers were both Awsome! But for completely different reasons.

Yes The Joker was the highlight of TDK. But he wasn't the ONLY good thing. Not by a long shot. The movie did focus heavily on the villains, whilst Batman Begins focused heavily on Batman.

I could similarly argue that Hulk was the highlight of Avengers, and it would not have been anywhere near as good without him.

And the SW Prequels were frigging brilliant and you all Know It!

Originally posted by Robtard
This is a silly comparison, while both SH movies and therefore in the same genre, they're very different.

DK has a superior story. Avengers is by far the more in-your-face entertaining. Might as well compare the films Alien and Robocop, when they're both good Sci-Fi; for different reasons.

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Ridley_Prime
Anakin force choking his love interest was still a result of the dark side though.

Are you suggesting that the dark side compelled Anakin to attack Padme? That logic doesn't follow; the dark side doesn't force its adherents to mindlessly attack. Palpatine is the supreme dark sider in the films and manages to avoid murder sprees and displays of mindless slaughter (until it's time for the charade to fall). Anakin was certainly affected by the dark side, but it was his choice to attack her. He's hardly some puppet on the dark side's marionette.

Ridley_Prime
Vader: Noooooooo! I just killed the only woman I love, but I'm not going to blame it on the guy who told me that going to the dark side could save her!

Sidious: Just as planned.

We saw Vader TK the hell out of Sidious's laboratory (the novelization depicts that he did this with the intent of killing Sidious in rage, but simply lacked the power to do it and the script mentions Sidious having to deflect debris with the Force), not to mention the fact that Vader had been thinking of killing Sidious since his first day on the job. Vader hardly brushed Palpatine's culpability under the rug.

Ridley_Prime
As for Dent, he only went after the corrupted cops who picked up his loved one on the night she was captured and killed, and Maroni, prior to the ending. Since those said cops were Gordon's men too, there was no way in hell he was gonna let Gordon not suffer any like he did, after failing to save Rachel. Now Anakin showing/having a bit of remorse for his actions prior to Padme landing on Mustafar is understandable (not to mention his crimes were waaaaay worse than Dent's after becoming Two-Face), but why should Dent have had any, given his situation? Gordon clearly didn't deserve remorse/sympathy, not from him anyway.

Gordon tried to save her life. The Joker ended her life. As for why Dent, who began the movie as Gotham's white knight, should show hesitation or remorse before killing children who had nothing to do with Rachel's death... I should think that would be obvious. To put it in simpler terms, Dent went from Jesus to Judas in the span of five minutes because Satan told him to and never looked back.

Anakin, meanwhile, attempted to do the right thing from the beginning, struggled with his decision, and only acted when he was desperate and backed into a corner by Palpatine in numerous ways.

Bane a lame villain? Somebody is in store for a real surprise.....

I mostly Prefer to Watch The Dark Knight Movie..

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Ok this page has become a hardcore movie critics one.

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Are you suggesting that the dark side compelled Anakin to attack Padme?

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
We saw Vader TK the hell out of Sidious's laboratory (the novelization depicts that he did this with the intent of killing Sidious in rage, but simply lacked the power to do it and the script mentions Sidious having to deflect debris with the Force), not to mention the fact that Vader had been thinking of killing Sidious since his first day on the job. Vader hardly brushed Palpatine's culpability under the rug.

And I feel it should be pointed out that the TDK novel kind of gives you a better understanding of Dent's thoughts/character/persona too than in the movie, but that usually goes without saying.

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Gordon tried to save her life. The Joker ended her life. As for why Dent, who began the movie as Gotham's white knight, should show hesitation or remorse before killing children who had nothing to do with Rachel's death... I should think that would be obvious. To put it in simpler terms, Dent went from Jesus to Judas in the span of five minutes because Satan told him to and never looked back.

Lucas could definitely have done a better job of handling certain elements, but ultimately, I find that Anakin's descent is unquestionably more nuanced and believable than Dent's.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Bane a lame villain? Somebody is in store for a real surprise.....

Nolan will make us all forget steroid bane

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
[ I find that Anakin's descent is unquestionably more nuanced and believable than Dent's. [/B]

Seriously!??

"I know the Dark Side is evil BUT it will save my wife..."

"I'm going to be a firm but loving father soon....DIE JEDI KIDS DIE!"

Esau Cairn
Seriously!??

"I know the Dark Side is evil BUT it will save my wife..."

"I'm going to be a firm but loving father soon....DIE JEDI KIDS DIE!"

Seriously.
Satirizing the plot is ultimately pointless when Dent's Heel Face Turn can be lampooned just as hard.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Anakin, unlike Dent, did the right thing initially. Anakin, unlike Dent, was backed into a corner brilliantly by Palpatine. Anakin, unlike Dent, visibly struggled with his morally reproachable deeds. And Anakin, unlike Dent, was grappling with the equivalent of a metaphysical moral drug addiction.

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Seriously.
Satirizing the plot is ultimately pointless when Dent's Heel Face Turn can be lampooned just as hard.

Ultimately, it comes down to this: Anakin, unlike Dent, did the right thing initially. Anakin, unlike Dent, was backed into a corner brilliantly by Palpatine. Anakin, unlike Dent, visibly struggled with his morally reproachable deeds. And Anakin, unlike Dent, was grappling with the equivalent of a metaphysical moral drug addiction.

Maybe it just comes down to which actor was more credible in their roles?

I honestly couldn't believe Anakin acting like a spoilt brat would be so pivotal to turning to the Dark Side. Qui Gon & Obi were more like father figures to him & yet his own ego couldn't accept their wisdom.
Anakin struggling with his morally reproachable deeds?
The kid sulked & pouted & blamed everyone but himself for his mother's death. He massacred the Tusken raiders (women & children) long before he was influenced to kill the Jedi kids....you'd think the trauma of killing the Tusken raiders would've stopped him killing any more innocents.
Palpatine didn't push Anakin into any corner...he fed Anakin some lame fairy tale about the power of the Dark Side & the kid lapped it up. Even without being tempted by Palpatine, his own selfish stubborness was tearing him away from Padme & the Jedi Council.
His arrogance was his own downfall.

"Metaphysical moral drug addiction" sounds deep but what the hell are you actually saying?

Whereas Harvey clearly knew right from wrong. Unfortunately he found himself contradicted in Gotham's corrupt legal system. He ultimately had to decide that doing good for the many meant sacrificing what he held dearly to his heart. That was his downfall to Two Face, the inability to do good without getting his hands dirty.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Maybe it just comes down to which actor was more credible in their roles?

I honestly couldn't believe Anakin acting like a spoilt brat would be so pivotal to turning to the Dark Side.

It wasn't really. It was his fear of letting go of his loved ones. The Council actually got the first hint of that in Episode I with his fear of losing his mother. Which is why they rejected his Jedi Padawan application at first.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Qui Gon & Obi were more like father figures to him & yet his own ego couldn't accept their wisdom.

I don't remember him rejecting Qui-Gon's wisdom.

He saw Obi-Wan more as an older brother than a father.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
"Metaphysical moral drug addiction" sounds deep but what the hell are you actually saying?

The way the Dark side of the force is tempting and addictive can only be compared to a drug.

Remember Luke Knew Palpatine was evil from day 1. He knew he was the evil Emporer. He knew Vader was a Sith Lord. And yet he was still tempted by their offer. You see him struggling with his inner self in Return of the Jedi.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
He saw Obi-Wan more as an older brother than a father.

In EP2, Anakin does state: "you're the closest thing I have to a father."

In EP3, Obi Wan states: "I loved you like a brother."

IMO, they were just gay for each other.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"He's like a father to me."

It's just a line he said bro. But just look at the way he talks to him compared to the way he talks to say Palpatine.

He treated Obi-Wan like a Brother.

The Clone Wars series makes this a lot more clear. And like Robtard pointed out Obi-Wan says in ROTS "You were my Brother Anakin.."

He saw Palpatine as a Father. Qui-Gon was also a Father type figure to him, even though he only knew him a short time.

IMO, Palpatine was more like the creepy uncle with border issues to Anakin.

Yeah, Anakin treats Obi-Wan like a brother alot more than a father. Maybe not in the movies (he does though imo) but definately in the tv show and EU stuff.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
It's just a line he said bro. But just look at the way he talks to him compared to the way he talks to say Palpatine.

He treated Obi-Wan like a Brother.

The Clone Wars series makes this a lot more clear. And like Robtard pointed out Obi-Wan says in ROTS "You were my Brother Anakin.."

He saw Palpatine as a Father. Qui-Gon was also a Father type figure to him, even though he only knew him a short time.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nigga **** the Clone Wars series, unless you were talking about the awesome animated shorts, not the bullshit right now.

Well like it or not the CW series is created and executive produced by Lucas. So it gives us a better insight into the characters.

But personally I think that's how ROTS showed them to be anyway.

Everyone knows that the more involvement Lucas has in a Star Wars project, the less canon it is silly.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Everyone knows that the more involvement Lucas has in a Star Wars project, the less canon it is silly.

It's because of people like you that a butthurt Lucas has vowed to never do anything Star Wars again.