Originally posted by -Pr-
iron man hit the leviathan with missiles, and they didn't even scratch it's hide. RPGs? Seriously?
Okay let's not lose sight that we're debating fictitious super heroes & their powers here....
Now are you comparing Iron Man's mini mini shoulder missiles to an RPG?
It's like comparing darts to canon balls.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, you people. That was essentially the first wave; look at the damage a very small army did in a matter of minutes.
That's exactly the point I'm trying to make. Evidence & fact that I saw in the movie NOT surmising what would've or could've happened afterwards.
What we saw on the big screen was the first wave of aliens NOT mass murdering hundreds of people & NOT doing any serious collateral damage. No buildings were crushed to the ground...only several floors to a scraper had their office windows smashed by a Leviathan's fin. Even the dead Leviathan crashing on top of another building didn't collapse the structure.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Okay let's not lose sight that we're debating fictitious super heroes & their powers here....Now are you comparing Iron Man's mini mini shoulder missiles to an RPG?
It's like comparing darts to canon balls.
Iron Man's "mini" missiles, were enough to puncture tank armour, and to completely obliterate a few dozen chitauri speeder things.
I really don't see why he, being one of the premier weapons designers in the world, would make missiles for his suit that were worse than something that an arab terrorist would have lying around.
Originally posted by Robtardwhoa, whoa, whoa! what do you mean, YOU PEOPLE?! sneer
LoL, you people. That was essentially the first wave; look at the damage a very small army did in a matter of minutes.Without the Avengers, the gate wouldn't have closed and the Chirtuari would have kept on coming, Loki planned on enslaving the entire planet, he's not doing it with a dozen transport ships, several score of fliers and a few hundred ground troops.
Only reason the Avengers won, cos doctor man built in a fail-safe, so he essentially saved the planet.
I'm confused, what exactly would the army have done?
You guys do realize that was just the first wave of the alien invasion right?
All BW and CA were doing was dealing with the ground troops. Yes a whole army of US troops would be better, but where were they? They can't just instantly teleport there. And by the time they got there in big enough numbers, the Aliens numbers would have been too much.
I think it would have taken way too much fire power of the military to take down even 1 Levathian ship.
And Lol @ Iron Man's arsenal being weaker than standard military arsenal!
Oh and nice call about Nuke's being us saying we'd rather die than be enslaved.. Yeah easy for the guy pulling the trigger to say!
But I'm sure the people in the city would prefer the Avengers defeating the Aliens then the damn military coming in and Nuking them all! Lol
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Like I said, we're debating fictitious characters & their make- believe weapons here...Puncturing tank armour doesn't mean it's going to do any further damage afterwards.
And even an air rifle can damage a motor bike...
So you genuinely think a bunch of rpgs was a more impressive arsenal than what Tony could bring to bear?
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
But I'm sure the people in the city would prefer the Avengers defeating the Aliens then the damn military coming in and Nuking them all! Lol
The luxury of preference is not the issue here. US armed forces would've defeated the Aliens. Sure there would've been more casualties, no one has argued against that.
Once mobilized, the first wave would've been easily dispatched by the air force, or a surgical strike. Individual aliens running around could be taken care of by infantry.
The US armed forces could deal with the bottle-necking the portal much better than Thor did. Send a nuke through there and mamma mia.
Heck, Russia or China (or together) taking on US would be a much larger threat than the Aliens even excluding nukes.
Oh yea and we're just talking real-life military, movie military would do better, and SHIELD should have all sorts of high tech weapons that they just forgot about.
Originally posted by -Pr-
So you genuinely think a bunch of rpgs was a more impressive arsenal than what Tony could bring to bear?
Not RPGs, but the military definitely has greater fire power. Do I believe Stark could do better? Sure, but he didn't show it in the film.
As for dealing with tanks, say hello to the Javelin (portable missile)
But seriously guys, stop low-balling your own military 😆
Originally posted by Nephthys
Trololololol!
If you're going to troll, then kindly see your way out of the thread.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Lucas could definitely have done a better job of handling certain elements, but ultimately, I find that Anakin's descent is unquestionably more nuanced and believable than Dent's.
I agree.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Seriously!??"I know the Dark Side is evil BUT it will save my wife..."
"I'm going to be a firm but loving father soon....DIE JEDI KIDS DIE!"
That comparison doesn't even work as a mischaracterization.
"I see visions of my wife dying. I'm losing my mind as this shit happened with my mother, too."
*Is manipulated by Sidious*
*After years of a slow decent to the dark side, finally loses his shit and chooses his attachment to Padme rather than taking Sidious in*
Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
edit:Yeah well, either way, Aaron Eckhart's an undeniably much better actor than Hayden Christensen. The rest I might respond to later.
Um, yes, this.
Originally posted by Placidity
The luxury of preference is not the issue here. US armed forces would've defeated the Aliens. Sure there would've been more casualties, no one has argued against that.Once mobilized, the first wave would've been easily dispatched by the air force, or a surgical strike. Individual aliens running around could be taken care of by infantry.
The US armed forces could deal with the bottle-necking the portal much better than Thor did. Send a nuke through there and mamma mia.
Heck, Russia or China (or together) taking on US would be a much larger threat than the Aliens even excluding nukes.
Oh yea and we're just talking real-life military, movie military would do better, and SHIELD should have all sorts of high tech weapons that they just forgot about.
Not RPGs, but the military definitely has greater fire power. Do I believe Stark could do better? Sure, but he didn't show it in the film.
As for dealing with tanks, say hello to the Javelin (portable missile)
But seriously guys, stop low-balling your own military 😆
it's not my military. i just fail to see how you can argue that the current military could take out that foes that powerful when the only thing that did take them down was extremely advanced tech or brute force.
and no, i don't consider the javelin to be superior to what stark had in his arsenal.
Originally posted by -Pr-
foes that powerful
That's what people are disputing, going by common sense I might add.
Originally posted by -Pr-
when the only thing that did take them down was extremely advanced tech or brute force.
So that's the argument - Avengers took them down so that shows that the military couldn't have?
Originally posted by -Pr-
and no, i don't consider the javelin to be superior to what stark had in his arsenal.
I was just comparing Stark taking out the tank and your comment about RPGs. You do know the military has more powerful weapons and missiles than the Javelin right? So you think Stark has more firepower than the entire US arsenal? I can't begin to imagine how you can genuinely believe that but I don't think we're going to agree.
Originally posted by Placidity
That's what people are disputing, going by common sense I might add.So that's the argument - Avengers took them down so that shows that the military couldn't have?
I was just comparing Stark taking out the tank and your comment about RPGs. You do know the military has more powerful weapons and missiles than the Javelin right? So you think Stark has more firepower than the entire US arsenal? I can't begin to imagine how you can genuinely believe that but I don't think we're going to agree.
I never said that the military couldn't have. My argument was that Stark, a weapons manufacturer that actually supplied the US military at some point, and built the Iron Man suit itself, is somehow weaker than what the US military can bring to bear in that kind of fight? Or is less effective than some guys with RPGs?
Yes, i know they have better than the javelin. But if we're talking weapons of mass destruction here, that sort of defeats the purpose of the entire argument.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I never said that the military couldn't have.
OK, I read someone else say that then, and assumed you were in the same boat.
Originally posted by -Pr-
My argument was that Stark, a weapons manufacturer that actually supplied the US military at some point, and built the Iron Man suit itself, is somehow weaker than what the US military can bring to bear in that kind of fight?
In terms of fire-power, absolutely. Imagine hundreds of missiles being launched by battleships, submarines, mobile silos, aircraft, tanks etc into the heart of the portal. Stark couldn't replicate that.
No one is saying Iron Man isn't an effective weapon, in fact he is probably the single most effective weapon. Key word is single, not against the entire military, and not when the goal is to destroy.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Yes, i know they have better than the javelin. But if we're talking weapons of mass destruction here, that sort of defeats the purpose of the entire argument.
Well, even before going into WMDs, there are missiles/bombs that have yields greater than Stark's.
And we aren't even having the same argument lol. I was responding to people who said the Aliens would've taken over the world were it not for the Avengers.
Originally posted by Placidity
OK, I read someone else say that then, and assumed you were in the same boat.In terms of fire-power, absolutely. Imagine hundreds of missiles being launched by battleships, submarines, mobile silos, aircraft, tanks etc into the heart of the portal. Stark couldn't replicate that.
No one is saying Iron Man isn't an effective weapon, in fact he is probably the single most effective weapon. Key word is single, not against the entire military, and not when the goal is to destroy.
Well, even before going into WMDs, there are missiles/bombs that have yields greater than Stark's.
And we aren't even having the same argument lol. I was responding to people who said the Aliens would've taken over the world were it not for the Avengers.
so they're just going to fire everything in to the portal? why do that when the streets are covered in chitauri warriors?
Originally posted by -Pr-
so they're just going to fire everything in to the portal? why do that when the streets are covered in chitauri warriors?
I was talking about the portal because that would seem like the biggest problem especially when people claim the alien reinforcements would've been limitless.
You don't think the military (infantry, armored vehicles, aircraft) would've dealt with the relatively few aliens riding on space bikes? F-22s alone would've chewed them up. What if say China sent in 1000 aircraft fighters into that same city, would it have been the end for America?
Originally posted by Placidity
The luxury of preference is not the issue here.
Of course that's an issue. Sure we can destroy aliens and ourselves and pretty much everything all day with Nukes.
But exactly how does that save the People??
Originally posted by Placidity
US armed forces would've defeated the Aliens.
You still haven't proved or quantified how much force it would take to destroy even One Levathian Vessel.
Originally posted by Placidity
Sure there would've been more casualties, no one has argued against that.
When we're talking Nukes it won't just be "more" casualties. Your talking about mass murdering a large US Population, just to take out the first Wave of Alien forces.
Originally posted by Placidity
The US armed forces could deal with the bottle-necking the portal much better than Thor did.
How exactly?
Originally posted by Placidity
Send a nuke through there and mamma mia.
Where will the Nuke be shot from exactly?
And will it be precise enough to go through the portal, from where ever it was shot from?
Originally posted by Placidity
Heck, Russia or China (or together) taking on US would be a much larger threat than the Aliens even excluding nukes.
You mean the whole Chinese military would be a larger threat than one wave of aliens with only one narrow portal to come through. Sure.
Could the military have disposed of that first wave by blowing up New York to Kingdom come. Sure. Then the second wave would come through 😉
What's next guys, the Military didn't need the help of the Autobots in Transformers because they could Nuke, or Carpet Bomb any city the Deceptacons go to 😉
Originally posted by Placidity
I was talking about the portal because that would seem like the biggest problem especially when people claim the alien reinforcements would've been limitless.You don't think the military (infantry, armored vehicles, aircraft) would've dealt with the relatively few aliens riding on space bikes? F-22s alone would've chewed them up. What if say China sent in 1000 aircraft fighters into that same city, would it have been the end for America?
See, I don't agree lol. I think it would have been hard to establish air superiority against enemies that were capable of better maneuverability (yes, even with bad banking), and weapons strong enough to shoot planes out of the sky.
plus, the sheer numbers too.
and what would they hit the leviathans with?
Originally posted by -Pr-
See, I don't agree lol. I think it would have been hard to establish air superiority against enemies that were capable of better maneuverability (yes, even with bad banking), and weapons strong enough to shoot planes out of the sky.plus, the sheer numbers too.
US Air force have much larger numbers.
Maneuverability is debatable, but not very relevant once a missile is locked on.
I'm not saying the air force won't suffer losses, I'm sure they will.
Originally posted by -Pr-
and what would they hit the leviathans with?.
Missiles from bombers, gunships etc etc. All carry a higher yield than what Hulk/Thor has shown (except for that one-shot, that was pretty boss). Same story. Probably the same story you're going to disagree with 🙂
What "practical" military weapons (Aka so not nukes or MOABs) have shown to rival Thor's power output? The Javelin certainly is pussy shit in comparison.
Hulk also sort of halted the forward momentum of one of the leviathans with a punch. Those things were like flying multi-story buildings. Only probably heavier. Hulk's punch would have had a force in I'm guessing the multiple thousands of tons. Aka much stronger than a few RPGs.