.....Counter Blitzing.....

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Debatable. Wouldn't said speedster have to speed up their thoughts in order to counter?

It doesn't really work like that, even Superman, who it seems can turn up or turn down his perceptions (so a second doesn't feel like days or something, and he would be able to interact with normal people everyday without going mad from boredom), is still able to perform superspeed feats on a dime.

If someone shot a bullet at lois from 10 feet away, and clark was standing right next to her, if his perception speed was TRULY turned down to human level, then the bullet would have already hit Lois by the time his human level brain speed was turned up to be fast enough to react to the bullet.

Yet we know, by feats, Clark would have no problem stopping that bullet even if the gunman fired it from 10 feet away while Clark's back was turned, even if he was interacting with Lois like any human level perception speed entity would, just hundredths of a second before it was fired.

It seems to me, Superman is simply able to walk both lines. I chalk it up to psionics, somehow.

I'd take auto shieds and AoE attacks. Especially if its controlled by some type of AI like the worldmind.

Originally posted by dmills
I'd take auto shieds and AoE attacks. Especially if its controlled by some type of AI like the worldmind.

you've been ninja'd several minutes ago.

sneer

Originally posted by janus77
with speedsters, durability aside, the only real question is who gets to strike first.

and ftl speedsters would always strike first (against non ftl opponents), so no mindrape possible.

do you know of a particular instance of this? I can only recall the gorilla grodd/flash fight where this happened

Regen will depend on the speed in which the regen occurs.

High end prob manipulation depends on thought too if is based on an mental order.

Instinctively reflex will work too as long as you body can keep up

Ubber durability will depend also on the attacking side as to how durable and strong the attacker is compared to the defender.

But most mountable defenses or attacks will depend on thought and brain processing capabilities. Unless is instinctively reflex and that will depend in the end on what the body can do.

Durability + Strength advantage = Useless without the necessary speed.

Juggernaut cannot beat Barry "God" Allen whatsoever. He will be a statue to him forever.

Regen, also useless without the necessary perception speed to do something other than be a sitting duck.

Mindrape, also useless without the necessary perception speed.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
It doesn't really work like that, even Superman, who it seems can turn up or turn down his perceptions (so a second doesn't feel like days or something, and he would be able to interact with normal people everyday without going mad from boredom), is still able to perform superspeed feats on a dime.

If someone shot a bullet at lois from 10 feet away, and clark was standing right next to her, if his perception speed was TRULY turned down to human level, then the bullet would have already hit Lois by the time his human level brain speed was turned up to be fast enough to react to the bullet.

Yet we know, by feats, Clark would have no problem stopping that bullet even if the gunman fired it from 10 feet away while Clark's back was turned, even if he was interacting with Lois like any human level perception speed entity would, just hundredths of a second before it was fired.

It seems to me, Superman is simply able to walk both lines. I chalk it up to psionics, somehow.

In the Nova Infinite comic that was a large part of why he crash landed non Earth. He talked about how his brain processed things simultaneously at two different speeds. Slow speed so that even when moving at speeds fast enough to traverse entire parsecs in moments, things slowed to a crawl so that he could react, dodge etc,. And hyper speed so that the time didn't drag on like years.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Regen will depend on the speed in which the regen occurs.

High end prob manipulation depends on thought too if is based on an mental order.

Instinctively reflex will work too as long as you body can keep up

Ubber durability will depend also on the attacking side as to how durable and strong the attacker is compared to the defender.

But most mountable defenses or attacks will depend on thought and brain processing capabilities. Unless is instinctively reflex and that will depend in the end on what the body can do.

I gotta disagree. that's y I said high regen/durability+ strength. As long as the defender is able to tank the initial assault generally as depicted in comics they are able to respond.

High end probability/luck powers are generally always "on" similar to auto shields. As long as a defense is attempted speed seems inconsequential as the powers is usually subconsciously driven and dont require active thought

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I gotta disagree. that's y I said high regen/durability+ strength. As long as the defender is able to tank the initial assault generally as depicted in comics they are able to respond.

This isn't a comic. Comics, as a rule, are supposed to be stupid.

Classic Juggernaut can not beat Barry Allen whatsoever in a forum fight, oh he'll tank the initial attack, hell, he'll tank the the 10 trillionth attack. But he will not be able to do anything about it.

Originally posted by dmills
In the Nova Infinite comic that was a large part of why he crash landed non Earth. He talked about how his brain processed things simultaneously at two different speeds. Slow speed so that even when moving at speeds fast enough to traverse entire parsecs in moments, things slowed to a crawl so that he could react, dodge etc,. And hyper speed so that the time didn't drag on like years.

Yep.

I believe one eye worked at normal speeds and the other at superspeeds, right?

^^^ Something like that. I got a kick out of that Mark Waid interview contrasting the vast difference in speed when writing quicksilver and then writing someone like Nova lol.

Also, massive kinetic energy absorption would be good.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
I gotta disagree. that's y I said high regen/durability+ strength. As long as the defender is able to tank the initial assault generally as depicted in comics they are able to respond.

High end probability/luck powers are generally always "on" similar to auto shields. As long as a defense is attempted speed seems inconsequential as the powers is usually subconsciously driven and dont require active thought

When I post theories in here I am not thinking "comic book fight"

I agree with high end prob if is always on, but if you need to think in order to activate it, then no.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
This isn't a comic. Comics, as a rule, are supposed to be stupid.

Classic Juggernaut can not beat Barry Allen whatsoever in a forum fight, oh he'll tank the initial attack, hell, he'll tank the the 10 trillionth attack. But he will not be able to do anything about it.

Meh Barry at that level isn't exactly hignh herald now is he, plus using that argument noone under Trans could counter a blitzer which is absurd

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Meh Barry at that level isn't exactly hignh herald now is he, plus using that argument noone under Trans could counter a blitzer which is absurd

A peak form Barry Allen is ridiculously above any "high herald's" ability to defeat.

The Speed Force is no joke, and Flashpoint was the cause of DC's entire reboot anyway.

Unless Odin's cosmic awareness is ridiculously up to snuff, he's not beating Barry Allen either.

Oh yes, actually, Sebastian Shaw type powers would be awesome. Something innate.

And no, not BFR. I meant he threw a punch, it goes into a portal, then another portal opens next to his head and he knocks himself out.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
A peak form Barry Allen is ridiculously above any "high herald's" ability to defeat.

The Speed Force is no joke, and Flashpoint was the cause of DC's entire reboot anyway.

Unless Odin's cosmic awareness is ridiculously up to snuff, he's not beating Barry Allen either.

That's why the op said keep it under Trans. I don't particularly care for the depiction of the flashes prior to the reboot

A "Why you hitting yourself" spell engaged precognitively.

Originally posted by Mindship
A "Why you hitting yourself" spell engaged precognitively.

Has strange exhibited precog? Dimensional dumping is always an easy win

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Has strange exhibited precog?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Dimensional dumping is always an easy win

Originally posted by janus77
with speedsters, durability aside, the only real question is who gets to strike first.

and ftl speedsters would always strike first (against non ftl opponents), so no mindrape possible.

FTL speedsters won't get 1st strike on Aquarian