Soulfire Darkseid vs. Surtur w/ TS

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, because he was clearly killed and Morrison retconned it. If another writer changes someone's work that's a retcon. If a Thanosi clone is killed by Thor it becomes a retcon after another writer changes it. If it's the same writer you'd have a point but since it isn't I'm right as rain.

No, because Countdown led into Final Crisis and the story was connected afterall it was called "Countdown to Final Crisis". We even knew before his apparent death that Darkseid was going to be in FC and was going to be the big bad so we knew for a fact he didnt die.

Then in FC itself it specically mentioned he wasn't killed and that he was mortally wounded in Countdown, and that fact was a crucual aspect to the story. So no, you are wrong. Even if we followed your faulty logic, a retcon is a retcon meaning the retcon is what's canon and the retcon says he didn't die, so thus....he didn't die. However, it was a reveal NOT a retcon.

You seriously try so hard to diminish DC characters it's pretty sad 😬

Originally posted by -K-M-
No, because Countdown led into Final Crisis and the story was connected afterall it was called "Countdown to Final Crisis". We even knew before his apparent death that Darkseid was going to be in FC and was going to be the big bad so we knew for a fact he didnt die.

Then in FC itself it specically mentioned he wasn't killed and that he was mortally wounded in Countdown, and that fact was a crucual aspect to the story. So no, you are wrong. Even if we followed your faulty logic, a retcon is a retcon meaning the retcon is what's canon and the retcon says he didn't die, so thus....he didn't die. However, it was a reveal NOT a retcon.

You seriously try so hard to diminish DC characters it's pretty sad 😬

It wasn't handled by the same writer and Morrison changed it hence the word retcon. A big reveal is when a writer tricks a reader into thinking someone is dead like in GOTG.

You seriously know I am right but want to argue anyways because you're mad.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The series changed and we knew Morrison didn't have to follow along with anything. Morrison did whatever he wanted to and retconned his death at Orion's hands.

It wasn't handled by the same writer and Morrison changed it hence the word retcon. A big reveal is when a writer tricks a reader into thinking someone is dead like in GOTG.

You seriously know I am right but want to argue anyways because you're mad.

No, we learned DS was going to be in months before his "death", and once again not a retcon as that story tied into Final Crisis. Tie-ins mean their connected to another story/

So what? Other writers had other ties in and were referenced in FC too, so where those retcons as well? Except they did do that, and FC specifically mentions Countdown and how he was mortally wounded but didn't die. Hence it's a reveal and NOT a retcon. Also following your logic, if it was a retcon (it's not) then it's 100% offical he didn't die as the retcon makes the change canon meaning he DIDN'T DIE!

Riiiight, that's why I have told you are wrong several times. 🙄 Not mad, far from it. I feel pity for you that you try so hard to diminish DC characters to give you some kind of self-satisfaction.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No, we learned DS was going to be in months before his "death", and once again not a retcon as that story tied into Final Crisis. Tie-ins mean their connected to another story/

So what? Other writers had other ties in and were referenced in FC too, so where those retcons as well? Except they did do that, and FC specifically mentions Countdown and how he was mortally wounded but didn't die. Hence it's a reveal and NOT a retcon. Also following your logic, if it was a retcon (it's not) then it's 100% offical he didn't die as the retcon makes the change canon meaning he DIDN'T DIE!

Riiiight, that's why I have told you are wrong several times. 🙄 Not mad, far from it. I feel pity for you that you try so hard to diminish DC characters to give you some kind of self-satisfaction.

There wasn't tie ins or a sense of everyone being on the same page. Morrison changed what he wanted to by retcons. That's that. He didn't write the countdown issue where Darkseid died. That's called a retcon if another writer alters your work.

You're wrong and according to you it's mainly big reveals not retcons. I do think you're anger is kind of sad but I forgive you.

*sigh* It's like talking to a child, no it's definetly pity.

I think your the one that is clearly more upset he didn't die, but following your logic there was a retcon and it confirmed he didn't die. So your own arguement hurt you. Did Morrison retcon all the tie-ins or ignore them? No. Did Morrison specifically mention Countdown? Sure did. Did Morrison explain in more depth to what happened in the tie-in that specfically led into the event? sure did. Was Final Crisis planned months before Darkseid apparent death and was the big event for DC so the writers would know Darkseid was the big bad as it was stated months before the issue in countdown? Sure did and would. It's not a retcon when the incident specfically leads into the main story and is a big focal point to the main event. The rest is you crying and trying to justify your faulty logic and try to distort it into something that it isn't. I'm done.

Originally posted by -K-M-
*sigh* It's like talking to a child, no it's definetly pity.

I think your the one that is clearly more upset he didn't die, but following your logic there was a retcon and it confirmed he didn't die. So your own arguement hurt you. Did Morrison retcon all the tie-ins or ignore them? No. Did Morrison specifically mention Countdown? Sure did. Did Morrison explain in more depth to what happened in the tie-in that specfically led into the event? sure did. Was Final Crisis planned months before Darkseid apparent death and was the big event for DC so the writers would know Darkseid was the big bad as it was stated months before the issue in countdown? Sure did and would. It's not a retcon when the incident specfically leads into the main story and is a big focal point to the main event. The rest is you crying and trying to justify your faulty logic and try to distort it into something that it isn't. I'm done.

It was retconned as the same writer didn't handle it. Morrison could have kept the death as planned and then brought Darkseid back. Writers can do whatever they want. By now I'd hope you'd grasp this concept, kiddo.

Originally posted by -K-M-
No, we learned DS was going to be in months before his "death", and once again not a retcon as that story tied into Final Crisis. Tie-ins mean their connected to another story/

So what? Other writers had other ties in and were referenced in FC too, so where those retcons as well? Except they did do that, and FC specifically mentions Countdown and how he was mortally wounded but didn't die. Hence it's a reveal and NOT a retcon. Also following your logic, if it was a retcon (it's not) then it's 100% offical he didn't die as the retcon makes the change canon meaning he DIDN'T DIE!

Riiiight, that's why I have told you are wrong several times. 🙄 Not mad, far from it. I feel pity for you that you try so hard to diminish DC characters to give you some kind of self-satisfaction.

You nailed it here. 👆