Thanos (HOTU) vs CA Superman

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So, concerning "Marvel: The End" ....

Don't get me wrong, one has to really look at the details to realize these extras,
but they are imo what defines the full scope of what Thanos did which was beyond "universal" imo.

It's all about this, after absorbing the LT, but more importantly he erases Eternity/Infinity.

Eternity/Infinity the embodiments of This Universe. (616)

There's also every hierarchal Cosmic, every hero/villain, and the entire race of Celestials.

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Yet, Starlin tells us there's still "threats" out there, "others" might threaten Thanos:

So Thanos must absorb more!

Now who in the heck is Starlin possibly referring to in/from 616?

When 616's essence/power (Eternity/Infinity + the useless extras) is/are all gone?

hm

Considering Starlin didn't take into account the death of 616 = the death of everything,
I can only imagine he must've been referring to "other" Eternities/Infinities? (or rather ... other universeS?)

Cause I'll be damned if someone says dust and gases lol. (oh, Reed was erased so nah)

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Marvunapp: (official Marvel comics sponsored site for Data corrections to Handbook mistakes)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm

"Thanos obliterated the Multiverse ... Thanos re-created the Multiverse"

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We also have the actual writer of the story (Jim Starlin) claiming it was the entire Marvel Universe,
he even thought it was a joke when he was told to do this.

(I'll get you the link to the interview)

^^ There's also this my friends.

If Thanos' absorption was limited to the confines of 616, how did he manage to absorb Gamora and Atleza?

Warlock survives because of his unique status as a character, explained in the scan. (and many other stories)
If this fact was referenced then it tells us Gamora/Atleza got erased, yet they were all outside 616.

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This Warlock detail isn't constricted to the HOTI story, it's always been Warlock's character: (here are a few examples below)

[img=http://s5d1.turboimagehost.com/t/22704415_ETIN5.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/19401369_Warlock_outside_ET2.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/19401370_Warlock_outside_ET3.jpg]
[img=http://s5d4.turboimagehost.com/t/19401371_Warlock_outside_ET5.jpg]

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This may not matter much but Thanos performed a feat in an Alternate Universe during the story.

When he visited a reality 2000 years further in the Past from Akhenaten's universe of origin (Reality-4321)
where Thanos re-made reality, so that the Celestial Order never got their prize. (HOTI)

[img=http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/17771034_HOTI1.jpg]

Akhenaten's 4321 Universe is already located in the year 1334 BC.

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One more bit:

Akhenaten's personal realm was a blending of UniverseS: ✅

And AK was only tapping the HOTI.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Everything concerning the cosmic hierarchy is up to self-interpretation. There are some "Comic-Nazis" who try to spam threads with their wall of text and ninja-post with very selected scans, while leaving out everything that contradicts their theory in order to extablish their wishful thinking as "FACT". Read every story yourself, talk with others if you want, your opinion and your interpretation is as valid as those of the Comic-Nazis. 😉

As already proved with my scans and not some selected bits and unofficial internet sources, HOTU is Universal. But a Comic-Nazi is a Comic-Nazi, at least we get an "I can only imagine" which means "my limited point of view is just that an opinion and not fact". GG.

Fun fact, even though he absorbed everything, still something/somepeople remained, even realities beyond the poor reality that was absorbed.

One more bit.
Akhenaten's personal realm was a blending of [<UniverseS>] is a lie, notwhere is it stated in that scan, you can read only realities, this kind of "cheating" and twisting is what makes this just the opinion of someone not a fact. 😉

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 ...

Thanos prepped for years to find the HOTI. It was never 'given' to him.

Thanos achieve his goal: He acquired the HOTI.

Thanos was the only cat in Marvel with the "will" to handle the true Supreme Being's absolute God power omniversal awareness.

Thanos erased/absorbed all of space-time and hierarchal concepts of reality.

Thanos himself decided to bring back creation, he could've easily left a void in its place.

ie. Thanos became the all-powerful factor of Marvel,
and nothing short of the 'Supreme Being' of another company should stalemate him.

Anyway, the bottom-line is, Thanos fixed Marvel, so yea, he "fulfilled his purpose" however you look at it. 🙂

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Surely one of the two incessant trolls in this thread will rebuke the truth I posted with absence of evidence,
but trolls have to fulfill their purpose too so I get it. The ignore button is your only defense really.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
As already proved with my scans and not some selected bits and unofficial internet sources, HOTU is Universal. But a Comic-Nazi is a Comic-Nazi, at least we get an "I can only imagine" which means "my limited point of view is just that an opinion and not fact". GG.

Fun fact, even though he absorbed everything, still something/somepeople remained, even realities beyond the poor reality that was absorbed.

One more bit.
Akhenaten's personal realm was a blending of [<UniverseS>] is a lie, notwhere is it stated in that scan, you can read only realities, this kind of "cheating" and twisting is what makes this just the opinion of someone not a fact. 😉

HOTU was only univers and nothing more, you are 100% correct. Even the marvel bio regarding hotu states it all happened in one universe, it warped multipled sub dimensions within that single universe but nothing outside of it.

HOTU is pretty weak in the grand scheme of powers as is Thanos understanding of it.

Originally posted by Board Walker

Even the marvel bio regarding hotu states it all happened in one universe

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix3/celestialorderthanos.htm

"Thanos obliterated the Multiverse ... Thanos re-created the Multiverse"

*** profile by Snood: (Jeff Christiansen - Head Handbook Writer of all official Marvel Handbooks since 2004)

Originally posted by Board Walker

it warped multipled sub dimensions within that single universe but nothing outside of it.

Originally posted by Board Walker

HOTU is pretty weak in the grand scheme of powers as is Thanos understanding of it.

Originally posted by Board Walker
HOTU was only univers and nothing more, you are 100% correct. Even the marvel bio regarding hotu states it all happened in one universe, it warped multipled sub dimensions within that single universe but nothing outside of it.

HOTU is pretty weak in the grand scheme of powers as is Thanos understanding of it.

Yes, the realities mentioned in the akh scan were part of this single Universe as proved by the scan where thanos himself, with the hotu power confirms it, further clarified by his inability to really absorb everything beyond it, as seen by warlock and death, where we even learn that even after the absorbing, other realities still exist.

Originally posted by Board Walker

HOTU was only univers and nothing more

Alternate universe!

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Thanos was a plant in "Prehistoric" times:

Alternate universe!

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Thanos was a grain of sand in some distant "Future:"

Alternate universe!

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Meh, Thanos became "Omni-Reality" ... Omniverse anyone? Everything?

As in ... Everything?

"Everything!"

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I'm not posting for you really since I believe you're just amusing yurself,
but, I wouldn't want some innocent onlooker swayed by fallacies, fallacies backed by our forum ninny.

^^ You know, it doesn't really matter how much territory Thnaos erased, all that matter is this below:

Originally posted by Galan007

as i'm sure you know, 2 years prior to his confrontation with warlock /w/ IG, it was confirmed that LT exists in, and acts as the judge of, all multiverseS simultaneously:

and as we [also] know, there are infinite universes, and subsequently, infinite multiverseS within the larger omniverse:

so if one were so inclined, one could argue that LT was an omniversal power when he confronted warlock /w/ IG... and still didn't know if he could win by force

In 1997 the LT held the power of Two MegaverseS in one hand:

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I later learned/understood that this is actually Two separate Comic book lines in the LT's hand, one of which is Marvel:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=604514&pagenumber=10

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^^ Absorbed:

... and LT had the backing of all space-time ... plus the entire race of Celestials:

ouch ...

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"universal power" huh ... Whether Thanos absorbed 1 or all universes in space-time is upto the individual,
but to think Thanos was nothing more than a "universal" power is laughable.

Is there any scans of LT conversing with TOAA?

Mr Master,

Everything you posted happened within the confines of a single universe, there were many sub dimensions within that universe but never anything exceeding that single universe.

The LT has been shown to exist as a fragment in each universe, which is what is seen in all of those scans.

Originally posted by Time Immemorial
Is there any scans of LT conversing with TOAA?

Simple logic. Spectre can't destroy Darkseid because the presence doesn't approve.
Thanos was not omniscient even if he believed it, because he wasn't aware that toaa tricked him. LT was not allowed to win as TOAAs plan was a different one as we saw at the end. Thanos wasn't even aware that he failed to absorb everything, only his poor reality, not warlock or death or the other realities,more proof that he was not truly omniscient. He was hence also not omnipotent, even if he believed it, else he would have absorbed it, warlock and the other reality. So his supreme being status was just a fake, a joke, made by toaa who was the only being in that story that was truly omniscient and omnipotent. So LT was for the sake of the plan below the universal power.

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Simple logic. Spectre can't destroy Darkseid because the presence doesn't approve.
Thanos was not omniscient even if he believed it, because he wasn't aware that toaa tricked him. LT was not allowed to win as TOAAs plan was a different one as we saw at the end. Thanos wasn't even aware that he failed to absorb everything, only his poor reality, not warlock or death or the other realities,more proof that he was not truly omniscient. He was hence also not omnipotent, even if he believed it, else he would have absorbed it, warlock and the other reality. So his supreme being status was just a fake, a joke, made by toaa who was the only being in that story that was truly omniscient and omnipotent. So LT was for the sake of the plan below the universal power.

Very well put!

Thanos only had power that was less than universal, as you stated thanos was entirley unaware that he was under the control and manipulation of the TOAA the entire time. Thanos could not perceive Death or Warlock outside of the single universe he was operating in, thanos did not possess universal understanding or power.

Everything that happened was purely an illusion intended to fool Thanos, of which all those outside that universe were aware of including the LT who was working under the plans of the TOAA.

Thanos with the HOTU ultimately was nothing more than a sub universal power, and more importantly had an extremely small degree of universal sight and understanding.

Cosmic Superman is at the top of the Metaversal powers, and is the power of the Writers/Fans incarnated.

Originally posted by Mr Master
^^ You know, it doesn't really matter how much territory Thnaos erased, all that matter is this below:

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In 1997 the LT held the power of Two MegaverseS in one hand:

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I later learned/understood that this is actually [b]Two separate Comic book lines in the LT's hand, one of which is Marvel:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=604514&pagenumber=10

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^^ Absorbed:

... and LT had the backing of all space-time ... plus the entire race of Celestials:

ouch ...

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"universal power" huh ... Whether Thanos absorbed 1 or all universes in space-time is upto the individual,
but to think Thanos was nothing more than a "universal" power is laughable. [/B]

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Its funny how some people are still clinging to the Thanos w/ HOTU was only universal when the Living Tribunal is the guy that acts when there is a threat to all reality.If Thanos w/ HOTU was only "universal", why did the LT goes omega level threat mode against Thanos w/ HOTU?

It's funny master is trying to peddle HOTU absorbing "Omni-whatever" when Starlin flat out told in Infinity Revelation that it only absorbed one universe.

I have a question.
What tier Do you put Cosmic Armor Superman? Supreme level? multiversal? or megaversal?

I think that CAS is representation of good story itself and idea that good will win. So in Hero comic like DC,Marvel, Almost no one can stand to him. Only The one who is omnipotent and writer's avatar like TOAA can beat him.
As for HOTU Thanos,I think that It depends on what power does thanos get from TOAA by wielding HOTU.

Cosmic Superman is at the top of the Metaversal powers, and is the power of the Writers/Fans incarnated.

This is indisputably true, regardless Thanos.
CA is a thought on the verge of the white page, and this thought is the idea of the story of Superman, not Superman as a physical being but his very concept, and it has been directly stated multiple times that nothing is more powerful than that in the whole DCU.

Originally posted by CatL18
I have a question.
What tier Do you put Cosmic Armor Superman? Supreme level? multiversal? or megaversal?

I think that CAS is representation of good story itself and idea that good will win. So in Hero comic like DC,Marvel, Almost no one can stand to him. Only The one who is omnipotent and writer's avatar like TOAA can beat him.
As for HOTU Thanos,I think that It depends on what power does thanos get from TOAA by wielding HOTU.

For what is worth, Morrison stated that he himself or any other author are nothing if compared to the story of Superman, they simply can't stop or cancel it.
But again, here we are entering the world of metatextual meanings, so it's hard to debate about it in a "vs" topic.

😂

Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
This is indisputably true, regardless Thanos.
CA is a thought on the verge of the white page, and this thought is the idea of the story of Superman, not Superman as a physical being but his very concept, and it has been directly stated multiple times that nothing is more powerful than that in the whole DCU.

For what is worth, Morrison stated that he himself or any other author are nothing if compared to the story of Superman, they simply can't stop or cancel it.
But again, here we are entering the world of metatextual meanings, so it's hard to debate about it in a "vs" topic.

Because if you think about it, most won't remember a Stan Lee or a Morrison or they won't care who that dude behind the name is/was in the future, while Superman will still be recignized as an icon. Most normal people I know don't even know the difference between Marvel and DC, they don't know that Spiderman isn't in the same Universe as Batman, some even didn't know that Batman is in the same Comic/Universe as Superman. Most of the people don't care for comics or Superheroes, they will always recognize Superman > Batman > Spiderman >>> IronMan >>> rest of the Avengers.

Not in the USA though. ^^

Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
Because if you think about it, most won't remember a Stan Lee or a Morrison or they won't care who that dude behind the name is/was in the future, while Superman will still be recignized as an icon. Most normal people I know don't even know the difference between Marvel and DC, they don't know that Spiderman isn't in the same Universe as Batman, some even didn't know that Batman is in the same Comic/Universe as Superman. Most of the people don't care for comics or Superheroes, they will always recognize Superman > Batman > Spiderman >>> IronMan >>> rest of the Avengers.

Not in the USA though. ^^

Hello my friend. 😛
Exaclty, that's what Morrison meant with his statement.
It is anyway kinda pointless to bring this out in a versus debate, indeed I wrote this as a specific answer to CatL18 question.
Anyway, as you obviously know, the fact of the CA being the concept of Superman, placed outside existence itself, and it being the most powerful force in the whole DCU remains clearly indisputably true, as stated.
Or, maybe, for people who only care about physical feats (even if the deep meaning of Superman Beyond goes way far and above them) we can report for example the fact of the CA putting the DC multiverse back in its correct standing still position after the whole fight against Dax Novu. 😆