HOTM Hulk vs The Plutonian

Started by DarkSaint855 pages

Originally posted by h1a8
Neutron stars are not in the dark dimension. Even if so then are stars and planets are considered equal by suspension of disbelief of the writer. Nothing exists outside the writer's mind (his intentions). Thus we go by writer's intentions.

Otherwise a marvel's planet/star feats are not comparable to D.C. planet/star feats since they are in different universes. We assume planet and stars are equal in all universes unless stated in the comic.

I think he meant that when they were in the Dark Dimension, the Mindless Ones, whilst super durable and powerful in 616, become fodder. Like when Blade is able to take them apart.

Originally posted by h1a8
Neutron stars are not in the dark dimension. Even if so then are stars and planets are considered equal by suspension of disbelief of the writer. Nothing exists outside the writer's mind (his intentions). Thus we go by writer's intentions.

Otherwise a marvel's planet/star feats are not comparable to D.C. planet/star feats since they are in different universes. We assume planet and stars are equal in all universes unless stated in the comic.

Everything you said here, is wrong.

And, kind of funny.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk's feats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Tony's feats

So you have no basis for what you said there.

Hulk can blow up an island by looking at it? With this feat, I follow up by saying that I think Tony can also "Look" at Hulk.

Hulk can withstand punches that were draining all the stars in the universe, and be ok? Hulk has been seriously hurt by far less, and his punches are also far less.

Hulk can "melt" diamonds? Well, he can't.

Hulk shook the eastern seaboard, or some such nonsense. Tony pushed a nation under the sea, straight down into the planet.

And, many other feats exist that Hulk cannot even attempt.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Hulk can blow up an island by looking at it? With this feat, I follow up by saying that I think Tony can also "Look" at Hulk.

Hulk can withstand punches that were draining all the stars in the universe, and be ok? Hulk has been seriously hurt by far less, and his punches are also far less.

Hulk can "melt" diamonds? Well, he can't.

Hulk shook the eastern seaboard, or some such nonsense. Tony pushed a nation under the sea, straight down into the planet.

And, many other feats exist that Hulk cannot even attempt.

Take your time and List them seriously, Tony even not full potential did some outrageous stuff would make Hulk cry.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I think he meant that when they were in the Dark Dimension, the Mindless Ones, whilst super durable and powerful in 616, become fodder. Like when Blade is able to take them apart.

Blade sliced them with an enhanced adamantium sword. Now would you like for us to name what Adamantium has sliced so we can know of all the people that are fodder?

Originally posted by carver9
Blade sliced them with an enhanced adamantium sword. Now would you like for us to name what Adamantium has sliced so we can know of all the people that are fodder?

Oooh.

You've just activated my trap card.

Should I post it?

Should I???

Oh, go on then:

Note Blade PUNCHING a Mindless One, and cracking it. Maybe he has adamantium enhanced gloves?

I would like you to name the guys who can PUNCH (punch, not slice) and crack these amazingly durable Mindless Ones.

Because I think Blade can take them...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Note Blade PUNCHING a Mindless One, and cracking it. Maybe he has adamantium enhanced gloves?

I would like you to name the guys who can PUNCH (punch, not slice) and crack these amazingly durable Mindless Ones.

Because I think Blade can take them...

hulk punched his wife and made the race of mindless ones extinct. their home planet is also gone

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Oooh.

You've just activated my trap card.

Should I post it?

Should I???

Oh, go on then:

Note Blade PUNCHING a Mindless One, and cracking it. Maybe he has adamantium enhanced gloves?

I would like you to name the guys who can PUNCH (punch, not slice) and crack these amazingly durable Mindless Ones.

Because I think Blade can take them...

You did it!
You single handedly proved that the mindless ones that have been appearing lately, are NOT the same breed as the classic mindless ones.

Blade, shattering one of them is the final key.

I hereby announce that ALL recent feats, by ANY character, involving the "Mindless Ones", be downgraded to "street-level" threat.

Classic Mindless Ones obviously have been absent for at least a decade. Hmmmm... that sure changes a lot of things around here.

Originally posted by the Darkone
Take your time and List them seriously, Tony even not full potential did some outrageous stuff would make Hulk cry.
Tony is walking the tightrope, ready to fall onto the "Abstract" side at any moment.

He's a freaking Baby Celestial. Franklin Richards' long lost twin. The tree that Superman, Gladiator, Maximortal, Supreme, Majestic and all the rest of them, fell off of. Classic Molecule Man as a brick. Beyonder's little brother. The Classic Infinite Man with amnesia.

And, other stuff like that!

Originally posted by psycho gundam
hulk punched his wife and made the race of mindless ones extinct. their home planet is also gone

I know they did.

I'm just saying, there are levels of Mindless Ones, obviously. And to say that they are ALL walking on neutron star level durability, shouldn't be said. Otheriwise, well, we can see it happening in the Imperiex probe threads lol. Black Lightning took one down....but 10,000 Daxamites couldn't??

Also, there is Horrificus' point, that the Dark Dimension could be a fodder dimension. Which supports your point as well.

Then there is their Nextwave showings - but do we consider them canon?

The way I always interpreted the battles that went on in the Dark Dimension, since way back when Dr. Strange was a young buck, was that they were part magic, part psyche, part energy, part fantasy, part subconscious and a pinch of physical.

But, the Mindless Ones were basically comparable to, or a step below an army of guys in Destroyer Armor.

can i ask a question? what if this was Uni-powered Hulk? will he fair better?

Originally posted by Horrificus
Hulk can blow up an island by looking at it? With this feat, I follow up by saying that I think Tony can also "Look" at Hulk.

Hulk can withstand punches that were draining all the stars in the universe, and be ok? Hulk has been seriously hurt by far less, and his punches are also far less.

Hulk can "melt" diamonds? Well, he can't.

Hulk shook the eastern seaboard, or some such nonsense. Tony pushed a nation under the sea, straight down into the planet.

And, many other feats exist that Hulk cannot even attempt.

Hulk can survive and produce forces that are beyond billions of times capable of disintegrating hundreds of peers of Savage Hulk including mindless ones. (This feat is greater than any feat by Plutonian).

As far as the star feat, please think about energy efficiency. Great feat though.

Hulk, without touching, cracked a virtually omnipotent being's barrier just by clapping his hands.

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can survive and produce forces that are beyond billions of times capable of disintegrating hundreds of peers of Savage Hulk including mindless ones. (This feat is greater than any feat by Plutonian).

I won't automatically lump all Mindless Ones together in durability, though.

Someone should make a Plutonian respect thread...mmm

Didn't they say Plutonian was bending the laws of physics or something?

I remember a statement in the comic suggesting that the Plutonian's power wasn't physical at all.

Originally posted by deathlife
Didn't they say Plutonian was bending the laws of physics or something?

I remember a statement in the comic suggesting that the Plutonian's power wasn't physical at all.

Plutonian could literally do "anything".
Manipulate time, space, energy and matter. Complete control of cause and effect at a quantum level.
Up until the end of the story, he mostly used these powers as a mega-brick.

I hereby coin the term: "Mega-Brick". nerd

Mega-Brick- When a character of Skyfather level, or above, channels most of their immense power into performing mostly physical feats of combat or destruction.
a la- Zeus, decimating the Hulk.
In these cases, characters with abilities to manipulate magic, energy, time, space and more, will center their powers for a more centralized, "physical" form and function.

Other potential "Mega-Bricks":

Mangog- Shown to be fueled by many sources of emotion or mental focus, such as Hate, Violence and even Adoration, etc. Shown to posses various non-physical abilities, such as Matter Transmutation, Energy Projection, Shapeshifting, Possible Teleportation, etc.
Early comments and descriptions of Mangog alluded to him as a sort of Universal Avatar of Hate long before the creation of DC's Omega.
With all of this, Mangog still prefers to channel most of his power into a physical showing.

Odin- Has also performed as a Mega-Brick in the past. Preferring to engage in combat through mostly physical means.

Galactus- An argument could be made that Galactus operates as a Mega-Brick, since it is accepted that he is basically an immense centralization of energy, along with attributes inherent in Abstract Entities, combined and operating from a containment suit.

Of course, this opens the door for the development of other Above-Brick definitions, such as Herald-Brick, or the distinction between Skyfather-Brick and levels beyond, up to and including Mega-Brick.

But, that is for another forum member, or Mod on another day.

Originally posted by Estacado
Someone should make a Plutonian respect thread...mmm
Yeah. He's cool, with the cool costume and haircut and has babes and even a male super-villain who is in love with him, but even besides that, he deserves some respect just as a "person".

That's what you meant, right?

Originally posted by h1a8
Hulk can survive and produce forces that are beyond billions of times capable of disintegrating hundreds of peers of Savage Hulk including mindless ones. (This feat is greater than any feat by Plutonian).

As far as the star feat, please think about energy efficiency. Great feat though.

Hulk, without touching, cracked a virtually omnipotent being's barrier just by clapping his hands.

(Maybe he had Enternity's "clapper" in his back pocket)

And, I'm sorry, but I have an opinion about the whole Mindless Ones feat and it won't be changing anytime soon. No reflection on you. But, I have posted my thoughts about it in many threads.

Exactly....It would be like respect Tony cause he banged this chick and that chick and then post pictures of them...