Originally posted by Silent MasterDo you understand what ENTERING THE MOTHER****ING ATMOSPHERE OF A PLANET WHILE NEARLY DEAD AND WEAKENED is?
Again, do you understand what terminal velocity is?
The friction and heat is sufficient to incinerate a person completely (I could get figures on this later if you want). Superman was mostly fine.
Hulk would break his fist punching Superman, and Superman could accidently kill Hulk.
He sustained no damage from the entry/fall/crash, he had passed out prior from being severely weakened/poisoned from the kryptonite shard still in his side and then fell.
Found this to be funny: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWt-Yu-Y8Fc&feature=related, Hulk's raepface.
Originally posted by Zack FairYet in an actual fight a bus was thrown (slow enough that I could have dodged it) at him and was nearly ko'd. Hulk shoulder blocked a giant f*ckin robot snake much larger and moving much faster than that bus and didn't flinch. Ironman survived re-entry while de-powered does that make him as durable as Superman?
Superman had to undergo re-entry while being near powerless.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Yet in an actual fight a bus was thrown (slow enough that I could have dodged it) at him and was nearly ko'd. Hulk shoulder blocked a giant f*ckin robot snake much larger and moving much faster than that bus and didn't flinch. Ironman survived re-entry while de-powered does that make him as durable as Superman?
Edit: Unfortunately I can't just let you stay misinformed like this so...
First you have to take into account the outdated special effects. Then you need to consider that Superman wanted to save the people in the bus, so simply dodging it was not an option. Then it might help to realize the bus was thrown by 2 kryptonians who happen to be as powerful as him. Ironman's durability is not tied to his energy level, and he wasn't in space. He went through the teleport, dropped the bomb on them and ran out of energy. Then fell back in when the teleport was shutdown and got saved by Hulk before he hit the ground. Was that the instance you talked about, or are you talking about Iron Man 1 or 2?
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm glad that he can fly really fast, However he never once used superspeed in any of his fights.
He caught a bullet after it was fired (Superman I). He intercepted a whole barrage of machine gun fire after they were fired(Returns).
Originally posted by Silent Master
Why would we take outdated special effects into account?
Because we're not stupid.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you're taking the "outdated special effects" into account so that you can pretend the feats are more impressive than they really are.
So what we're supposed to ignore the fact that special effects were limited back in those days??
Next you'll be saying George Reeves Superman is as slow as a normal person, because that's all they showed. (Even though the opening narration clearly stated "faster than a speeding bullet"😉.
They clearly showed his speed in Returns anyway so your talking nonsense.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Next, you'll be taking "outdated fight choreography" into account so that you can claim that movie Superman is actually skilled in hth.
No because he wasn't able to do anything against the random bully when he had no powers.
Originally posted by Silent Master
No, you're taking the "outdated special effects" into account so that you can pretend the feats are more impressive than they really are.Next, you'll be taking "outdated fight choreography" into account so that you can claim that movie Superman is actually skilled in hth.
No. That goes for Star Wars' Old Ben vs Vader 131 not Supes. Superman fights like a chump, but he still casually backhands the avengers.
Originally posted by Zack FairGreen screen technology had already been in use several years before Superman II came out. There had already been two Star Wars movies, a plethora of Godzilla movies, and Clash of the Titans was released shortly there after. There is no reason they couldn't have had the bus thrown at a higher speed. That wasn't the only example of Supermans, or the other Kryptonians fighting abilities and powers not being up to par with the Avengers.
First you have to take into account the outdated special effects.
Originally posted by Zack FairSave the people? I don't care if he was trying to save the whales, it doesn't eliminate the fact that it nearly ko'd him.
Then you need to consider that Superman wanted to save the people in the bus, so simply dodging it was not an option.
Originally posted by Zack FairAs I said earlier that is irrelevant. If they were still holding onto the bus and ramming him with it that would be different. But they didn't, they threw it instead. If I get hit with a ninety mph fastball it will feel the same whether it was thrown out of a pitching machine or by a major league pitcher, the energy delivered on impact would be identical.
Then it might help to realize the bus was thrown by 2 kryptonians who happen to be as powerful as him.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
Ironman's durability is not tied to his energy level, and he wasn't in space. He went through the teleport, dropped the bomb on them and ran out of energy. Then fell back in when the teleport was shutdown and got saved by Hulk before he hit the ground. Was that the instance you talked about, or are you talking about Iron Man 1 or 2?
Originally posted by RobtardHe didn't fight anybody in Returns. The only time really encountered any violence or combat situations was when he stopped the robbers and was blasted by the gatling gun, or when he was de-powered and got his ass kicked by Lex and his gang. Hardly convincing evidence. He lifted something really heavy and survived a really high fall, so what? Anytime Movie Superman has engaged in combat with others with powers he and his abilities have been less than impressive. If this were the comic book version vs the movie Avengers, then I would agree with you 100% and even call this a spite thread, but it isn't. So we can't apply comic book feats and abilities to the movie version until we see them replicated by the movie version.
Superman Returns is enough, don't even have to include Reeve's highest showings. People really need to stop trying to downplay the character they want/need to see lose, Superman.