Originally posted by quanchi112
Having the willpower to defy your function from the supreme being. You just don't comprehend it. I can't make you understand. You still agree Lucifer wins so oh well.
Escaping "predestination" as He questions if is his own free will is not really a solid case of free will, let alone infinite will.
Explain to me how is this a great feat of will, please.
Originally posted by biensalsaHe had the will to defy his maker. To escape the function is a sign of willpower. You can't escape what the Maker has charted out for you if you don't have awesome willpower. Get it ? It's like explaining addition and subtraction to a 3 month old.
Escaping "predestination" as He questions if is his own free will is not really a solid case of free will, let alone infinite will.Explain to me how is this a great feat of will, please.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He had the will to defy his maker. To escape the function is a sign of willpower. You can't escape what the Maker has charted out for you if you don't have awesome willpower. Get it ? It's like explaining addition and subtraction to a 3 month old.
This is Quanlogic in action.
You can escape it, if He allows it, the maker says what goes and goes, you might think you are doing what you want, but you are actually doing what he wants you to do.
And this was the whole questioning of the series. and in the end he offers a deal that can be rejected or accepted.
'cuz you know in the end he allows you to do what you want to do or because You are doing what you were meant to do?
Hope your head does not explode.
Originally posted by biensalsaI never said Lucifer was more powerful than the Maker only that his will escaped his function. That's all willpower.
This is Quanlogic in action.You can escape it, if He allows it, the maker says what goes and goes, you might think you are doing what you want, but you are actually doing what he wants you to do.
And this was the whole questioning of the series. and in the end he offers a deal that can be rejected or accepted.
'cuz you know in the end he allows you to do what you want to do or because You are doing what you were meant to do?Hope your head does not explode.
Lucifer did what he wanted to. He choose his fate and escaped what his function was. That requires willpower. Your comprehension is pitiful.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said Lucifer was more powerful than the Maker only that his will escaped his function. That's all willpower.Lucifer did what he wanted to. He choose his fate and escaped what his function was. That requires willpower. Your comprehension is pitiful.
Um... No!
A doubtful show of free will is somehow infinite or incredible will?
Originally posted by biensalsaUhm, yes. Lucifer only accepts his role initially due to the logic that the Maker is more powerful. He later rejects it and escapes his function through willpower. You don't even know what willpower is.
Um... NO!
How can I be expected to debate with someone who doesn't understand a simple word.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Uhm, yes. Lucifer only accepts his role initially due to the logic that the Maker is more powerful. He later rejects it and escapes his function through willpower. You don't even know what willpower is.How can I be expected to debate with someone who doesn't understand a simple word.
Explain this
How a doubtful show of free will is somehow infinite or incredible will?
Originally posted by biensalsaI said it's been referred to infinite will on panel. I said that showing of willpower is greater than your scans of Superman's imo. Defying the Maker of all is far greater than resisting a reality warper.
Explain thisHow a doubtful show of free will is somehow infinite or incredible will?
You are all over the place. You keep backpedaling. It's already painfully obvious you don't know what willpower even means. The best part is you say Superman loses but continue to prove you don't know what willpower is.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I said it's been referred to infinite will on panel. I said that showing of willpower is greater than your scans of Superman's imo. Defying the Maker of all is far greater than resisting a reality warper.You are all over the place. You keep backpedaling. It's already painfully obvious you don't know what willpower even means. The best part is you say Superman loses but continue to prove you don't know what willpower is.
That does not mean anything Quan. You are going now by what is referred on panel, but disregard the context in the story and what is also shown in panel that contradicts the original statement.
And like I said, I gave the vote to Lucifer based on hierarchy. Is not like I believe that in a forum fight Thanos can defeat TOAA. 😆
Oops sorry.
Well yes I'm Superman camp, but this is a multiversal level entity, stated to have infinite will (doubtfully shown) but I have to give the benefit of the doubt, because you know is a Multiversal level entity. So logically I should pick the multiversal guy, but based on panel evidence, Superman wins.
So going by implied power Lucifer should win, going by feats Superman should win.
Originally posted by biensalsaYour sentences are all messed up. Oh brother. Thanos can defeat the supreme being with prep imo. But stick to the topic at hand.
That does not mean anything Quan. You are going now by what is referred on panel, but disregard the context in the story and what is also shown in panel that contradicts the original statement.And like I said, I gave the vote to Lucifer based on hierarchy. Is not like I believe that in a forum fight Thanos can defeat TOAA. 😆
Oops sorry.
Well yes I'm Superman camp, but this is a multiversal level entity, stated to have infinite will (doubtfully shown) but I have to give the benefit of the doubt, because you know is a Multiversal level entity. So logically I should pick the multiversal guy, but based on panel evidence, Superman wins.
So going by implied power Lucifer should win, going by feats Superman should win.
Have can you show someone having infinite willpower unless it's stated ? Do you even think when you type.
Superman's been destroyed before on panel by the Trans according to willpower. Who has beaten Lucifer due to willpower on panel ?
Lucifer resisted the almighty being's function. That's resisting your own function through sheer will of your own to be able to stand up to him.
Going by on panel feats you still go by Lucifer because Superman has been crushed on panel in a battle of willpower. Lucifer hasn't and even defied the Maker.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Your sentences are all messed up. Oh brother. Thanos can defeat the supreme being with prep imo. But stick to the topic at hand.Have can you show someone having infinite willpower unless it's stated ? Do you even think when you type.
Superman's been destroyed before on panel by the Trans according to willpower. Who has beaten Lucifer due to willpower on panel ?
Lucifer resisted the almighty being's function. That's resisting your own function through sheer will of your own to be able to stand up to him.
Going by on panel feats you still go by Lucifer because Superman has been crushed on panel in a battle of willpower. Lucifer hasn't and even defied the Maker.
I'm sorry I was away talking to a wall but since the wall already comprehended, I came back to talk to you.
So a doubtful feat of free will means infinite will just because it is stated on panel to be infinite?
Mmmm. From now on I guess every Hulk showing is infinite strength.
Great logic Quani.
Superman wins by panel evidence.
Even Superman's showing vs the trans is better than the doubtful showing of free will of Lucifer.
Originally posted by biensalsaHulk has unlimited strength based on his anger. That doesn't mean he can be infinitely angry. The Maker's will is endless to defy his will it only logically makes sense to have infinite will. Lucifer defied the supreme being's function and has been described as having infinite will. There's no other way to show you infinite will on panel.
I'm sorry I was away talking to a wall but since the wall already comprehended, I came back to talk to you.So a doubtful feat of free will means infinite will just because it is stated on panel to be infinite?
Mmmm. From now on I guess every Hulk showing is infinite strength.
Great logic Quani.
Superman wins by panel evidence.
Even Superman's showing vs the trans is better than the doubtful showing of free will of Lucifer.
Being destroyed by the Trans isn't a great showing of willpower since Batman by comparison looked better.
Superman has never resisted the supreme being's will so Lucifer's better in both hierarchy and the quality of his feat.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk has unlimited strength based on his anger. That doesn't mean he can be infinitely angry. The Maker's will is endless to defy his will it only logically makes sense to have infinite will. Lucifer defied the supreme being's function and has been described as having infinite will. There's no other way to show you infinite will on panel.
Wow. This may be the single most well said thing you've ever said.
Props, Quan 🙂
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hulk has unlimited strength based on his anger. That doesn't mean he can be infinitely angry. The Maker's will is endless to defy his will it only logically makes sense to have infinite will. Lucifer defied the supreme being's function and has been described as having infinite will. There's no other way to show you infinite will on panel.Being destroyed by the Trans isn't a great showing of willpower since Batman by comparison looked better.
Superman has never resisted the supreme being's will so Lucifer's better in both hierarchy and the quality of his feat.
How is "defying" his will when basically the maker gives you free will?
He just stopped doing his function and is very, very questionable if this was even the makers predestination for him.
If he had infinite will, then with his omnipotent power he would have won the great war, yet He was thrown into the abyss.
If he had infinite will, why give into the triumvirate? Oh wait, maybe because he did not have a choice. And he has the POWER is not like he is a herald fighting 99% 5D powered imp.
Which reminds me 5D imps did not get affected by the Crisis in the infinite earths but Hell was affected by it to the point that When the great evil beast arose, it caused a civil war in hell which end up in Lucifer's having to share hell's rule with two more demons.
With all his power he needed help to create a multiverse
The power of the 5d imp powering EJ can wipe out multiverses, yet Superman resisted that power via sheer force of will. What does that tells you?
Yes, Superman can do the impossible.
Well consider just a will battle in which he rejected reality manipulation of a 99% powered imp.
I don't believe he could defeat Lucifer with all of Lucifer's powers specially in a forum fight, but a battle of will? seems he can do it.
He has the feats and the panel statements, Quanchi is just playing around with a dubious feat of free will and panel statement.
Originally posted by biensalsaThe Maker gives you free will but no one else defied their function. That means none o fthem had any free will despite them believing so. You honestly don't comprehend comics. You really need someone to sit you down to explain these posts of mine. I'm quite exceptional.
How is "defying" his will when basically the maker gives you free will?He just stopped doing his function and is very, very questionable if this was even the makers predestination for him.
If he had infinite will, then with his omnipotent power he would have won the great war, yet He was thrown into the abyss.
If he had infinite will, why give into the triumvirate? Oh wait, maybe because he did not have a choice. And he has the POWER is not like he is a herald fighting 99% 5D powered imp.
Which reminds me 5D imps did not get affected by the Crisis in the infinite earths but Hell was affected by it to the point that When the great evil beast arose, it caused a civil war in hell which end up in Lucifer's having to share hell's rule with two more demons.
With all his power he needed help to create a multiverse
The power of the 5d imp powering EJ can wipe out multiverses, yet Superman resisted that power via sheer force of will. What does that tells you?Yes, Superman can do the impossible.
No, it isn't vague it's clear. Lucifer was tricked once by the Maker but didn't fall for this again. The Maker was so impressed he offered they combine and let Lucifer be the Maker completely unscarred by experience. Lucifer rejected it further showing he does what he wants. The Maker respected the shit out of him for it. It's hard to argue with him not doing so since everyone else fell in line to the roles assigned to them.
Lucifer never had omnipotent power. Lucifer admits the Maker is always more powerful than he is. You are just making stuff up again. You just spout random bs and act like I am going to accept it as something that you literally didn't dream up.
Infinite will doesn't mean you are the most powerful or the most formidable. Your debating is so awful I almost don't know where to begin with you. It'd be like talking algebra with someone who doesn't understand addition, subtraction, division and multiplication.
Lucifer is more powerful than Superman but most of the time in his comic he was depowered anyway. Having an infinite will doesn't mean you are all knowing. His will is infinite in that he achieved what he ultimately sought. He was tricked and surprised along the way but he isn't all knowing. Nor did I ever claim he was.
It tells me Superman has high willpower but that isn't his only showing. I can show the Trans easily dominating his will. You can't do the same for Lucifer. You look at Superman's history and his will has been broken before. You don't highlight the best and pretend the other showings don't count because you're upset Superman doesn't prevail here.
The Maker is supreme and is beyond EJoker. Far less than a reality warper with that power has broken Superman. Sometimes power itself is irrelevant when it comes to willpower. I eliminated the power here.
Lucifer has infinite will and has backed it up on panel rejecting his function and impressing the Maker to the point of offering an amalgamation of the two.
