Lucifer vs. Superman: Battle of willpower only · Comic Book 'Versus' Forum

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by biensalsa
Ok, so You think Doom has more will than Lucifer, good for You. You are wrong, but good for You.

You don't even know who Doom is.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by NemeBro
You know, Mindset isn't God or anything like that. You don't have to capitalise "you" when speaking with him. He doesn't deserve it.

Jealousy and lying is so unbecoming of you.

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You seem to be glossing over the times Doom has beaten the F4 or other heroes as well as how a good deal of his "losses" are nothing to be ashamed of.
Not true.
He's beaten them numerous times. And he's achieved his principal goals as well. It took Lex how many decades to get ultimate power? Doom's done that half a dozen times at least.

Dozen of times ultimate power?

IIRC it was only once on Secret wars, Stealing some meta or herald powers does not count as ultimate power

Mindset Senior Member

Galactus, Beyonder, CC, w/e power he just recently had.

Probably forgetting other.

So yea, about half a dozen times.

JakeTheBank Return of the King

^ The Life-Force/Wanda's power.

Also the Vibranium Armor was supposedly dwarfing the power he had when he jacked the Power Cosmic and was enabling him to fight all of Earth's heroes at once across the globe.

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by Mindset
You don't even know who Doom is.

Please illustrate me. 🙄

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Beyonder is ultimate power

The rest is meh!

JakeTheBank Return of the King

Originally posted by biensalsa
Beyonder is ultimate power
The rest is meh!

His "meh" feats shit on Luthor's best.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by biensalsa
Please illustrate me. 🙄

Sorry, I'm not an artist.

Originally posted by biensalsa
Beyonder is ultimate power
The rest is meh!

His latest power grab was universal iirc.

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
His "meh" feats shit on Luthor's best.

Luthor's best is getting 5D level of power or close to it.

So I disagree that his meh feats shit on Luthor's best.

He might have more if that is what you are trying to say to which I have to agree, but both their best are equal or pretty close

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by Mindset
Sorry, I'm not an artist.

NO SHIT!

Originally posted by Mindset
His latest power grab was universal iirc.

OK, Why is this degenerating into Dr. Doom vs Lex Luthor?

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by NemeBro
You know, Mindset isn't God or anything like that. You don't have to capitalise "you" when speaking with him. He doesn't deserve it.

Thank YOU for the advise 😉

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by biensalsa
NO SHIT!
OK, Why is this degenerating into Dr. Doom vs Lex Luthor?

Yes, shit.

Probably because you made a post directly comparing them.

NemeBro Senior Member

Originally posted by biensalsa
Thank YOU for the advise 😉

Ah, this man recognises greatness. 👆

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, shit.
Probably because you made a post directly comparing them.

I just mentioned Luthor and Doom and say how many times they have lost.

And said

"Winners never quit, losers never win, but those who never quit and never win are Idiots"

Many villains fall into that

biensalsa DJ FrostByte

Originally posted by NemeBro
Ah, this man recognises greatness. 👆

😉

Hulkbuster1 Senior Member

Originally posted by Diesldude
Thanos loses. I still don't see why quan is arguing when most have said lucifer wins.
Hulbuster- sometimes its easier to kill something/someone than to break their will. Doomsday killing superman doesn't mean that superman's will was broken. How they go together is beyond me.

So life and will going together is beyound you? 🤨 dude they go hand in hand for example humans without a will to live have died. there was a man that a train ran over his lower body and he should've been dead but his will to live allowed him to conqure certain death. there was a black kid in the news who was shot point blank in the head,something thats a guarantee certain kill, and he lived though with chunks of brain removed. heck nde is nothing more than will over death. with that said superman suffers inconsistencies just like his powers did during the silver age , so imo he shouldnt be debated based on dc terrible consistency problems smh another infinite crisis ought to fix that. I mean on some days supermans will is so strong even specter said he had the strongest will yet on other days his will so weak that a trans takes him out and aknowledges batman as having the strongest will. superman will to live is weak doomsday killed him and almost did again if superman didn't cheat using the motherbox. goggle has killed supermen, superman prime also easily killed supermen. superman has been possessed easily before like when he attack batman. even special lighting can 100% destroy supermans will and turn him into a murderer-example when windstorm almost used special lighting on superman but hit the flash instead. another thing supermans powers more than 'will' has help him stand conflict which isnt impressing since its more durability than WILL...prroof? take supermans powers away and he has the will of a girl example when jimmy beat/bullied a powerless superman. imo batman has the greatest will and he is a human for crying out loud. he has taken on superman with or without powers and through will and intelligence has conquerd. in a recent comic batman was sent back in time and through will and no powers trumph. superman is a very inconsistent hero imo.

Mindset Senior Member

Originally posted by biensalsa
I just mentioned Luthor and Doom and say how many times they have lost.
And said
"Winners never quit, losers never win, but those who never quit and never win are Idiots"
Many villains fall into that

Originally posted by biensalsa
OK???
There is a difference between having lots of will and being to stupid to understand that You have been beaten enough.
In this regards is not that Lex Luthor has a lot of will is just that He does not know better. The same goes for certain character that has been almost beaten in every single Fantastic Four Comic book.

Don't play the idiot, no matter how well it fits you.

You're obviously comparing Lex and Doom.

Placidity Chief Executive Officer

Mindset Senior Member