Superboy Prime vs Avengers

Originally posted by quanchi112
Prime isn't precrisis. You just made that up. All characters were scaled way down since then. I doubt anyone thinks Prime is beyond Earth 22 Superman.

Earth 22 Superman's portrayal is pretty high end as elite top tiers go.

Originally posted by abhilegend
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Prime IS a PC kryptonian. Even byrne superman remembered him taking part in the crisis and without any proof or showings to say that he was scaled down its another one of your lies. Oh and KC superman got his shit pushed in by gog even with JSA backing him up, the same gog got his teeth punched out by regular superman.

I guess precrisis level power can be beaten down by teen titans. That's the way you want it.

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Rearrenging the universe sounds like a PC feat to me. Getting beat down by the titans also sounds PC to me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That was a different gog per the timestream. Events took place to alter that. Hercules knocked Superman on his ass yet couldn't even budge KC. Kc is superior he's been in the sun longer. The writer made it clear.

I guess precrisis level power can be beaten down by teen titans. That's the way you want it.

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Originally posted by Zack Fair
Rearrenging the universe sounds like a PC feat to me. Getting beat down by the titans also sounds PC to me.

Originally posted by abhilegend
No, it was the same gog confirmed by Terrific and the real gog. No amount of your hypothetical bullshit would work here. A different superman than post crisis superman whose original power level is unknown. A sucker shot and KC superman had time to brace himself, the same thing happened with doomsday in DOS. Pure PIS.

Kc Superman is superior to Superman. We had a direct comparison in the same ish with both characters against the same threat. Kc is too much for ne Superman.

Geoff Johns made it clear. Kc Superman heard things ne Superman couldn't hear. He's just better.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That same Gog punked Infinity Man who treated Superman like a nothing. That Gog was more uber under that writer than when Superman faced off against him. Superman also had help iirc.

Kc Superman is superior to Superman. We had a direct comparison in the same ish with both characters against the same threat. Kc is too much for ne Superman.

Geoff Johns made it clear. Kc Superman heard things ne Superman couldn't hear. He's just better.

Nope, he was portrayed as a peer in both JSA 13 and in Kingdom come special when superman shrugged off a bloodlusted sucker shot from KC superman.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Who cares about infinity man vs gog? Superman beat him one on one and that's what matters. He's the same gog, its not herochat. Nope, superman didn't have any help when he punched gog's teeth out.

Nope, he was portrayed as a peer in both JSA 13 and in Kingdom come special when superman shrugged off a bloodlusted sucker shot from KC superman.

Superman clearly had help. He had help from future Gog and future DD. This wasn't handled under the same writer who showed Gog punk Iman.

Superman went flying back. Kc stopped. Kc had better hearing, shrugs off k-nite better, had a much better durability showing, etc. Yeah, spending more time in the sun means he's more powerful. You don't like it. Tough. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
You wanted to use that showing against Kc Superman. The writer had him run off Iman who clearly beat Superman with little to no effort.

Superman clearly had help. He had help from future Gog and future DD. This wasn't handled under the same writer who showed Gog punk Iman.

Superman went flying back. Kc stopped. Kc had better hearing, shrugs off k-nite better, had a much better durability showing, etc. Yeah, spending more time in the sun means he's more powerful. You don't like it. Tough. 🙂

Sucker shot and KC superman was bracing himself. Better hearing when superman wasn't trying to listen something particularly? Yeah he had his eyes stinging when new earth kryptonite shouldn't even affect him just like the same writer wrote in the case of Kal-L. He was more powerful than his younger days who wasn't fast enough to reach daily planet from orbit when joker was slowly killing his wife.

I still wonder how you guys remember all of this stuff.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
I still wonder how you guys remember all of this stuff.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Infinity man used a force barrier to imprison superman, before that superman was beating him in h2h. Gog drove off Infinity man who as his role in DOTNG doesn't wants to tangle with anyone else than new gods unless absolutely necessary. Future gog only removed kryptonite from his body and even under chuck austen Kal was whooping gog untill he used kryptonite.

Sucker shot and KC superman was bracing himself. Better hearing when superman wasn't trying to listen something particularly? Yeah he had his eyes stinging when new earth kryptonite shouldn't even affect him just like the same writer wrote in the case of Kal-L. He was more powerful than his younger days who wasn't fast enough to reach daily planet from orbit when joker was slowly killing his wife.

So future gog made it so he lost. That's called Superman having help. Sorry, without his own help from the future Superman would have lost. 🙂

Kc didn't budge. So if you punch Superman who is basically invulnerable can you knock him back ? Why shouldn't ne k-nite affect him ? It almost killed Superman many times. So that's another advantage for Kc Superman.

Ne Superman wasn't fast enough many times. it's called creating drama. You pick and choose what counts. Not me. Superman in a direct comparison was shown to be inferior to Earth 22 Superman. If you don't like it tough.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Iman saw him as a nuisance. Superman was just punching him. He wasn't a threat to him in the slightest. He wasn't there for Superman either but he couldn't just easily contain Gog. He left while he easily bested Superman. That Gog was more uber under that writer than what happened prior to. I bring up the same showings under the same writer unlike you. 🙂

So future gog made it so he lost. That's called Superman having help. Sorry, without his own help from the future Superman would have lost. 🙂

Kc didn't budge. So if you punch Superman who is basically invulnerable can you knock him back ? Why shouldn't ne k-nite affect him ? It almost killed Superman many times. So that's another advantage for Kc Superman.

Ne Superman wasn't fast enough many times. it's called creating drama. You pick and choose what counts. Not me. Superman in a direct comparison was shown to be inferior to Earth 22 Superman. If you don't like it tough.

The future gog only removed kryptonite from superman's body, its not help to beat gog.

KC superman had the time to brace himself while superman got suckerpunched. If we are going to determine strength by who can punch whom far then obviously KC superman is just as strong as hercules.

Not when someone is killing his wife, he wasn't.

Even byrne superman could have gone faster.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You can have any opinion, doesn't mean its valid. Infinity man was getting pounded so he contained superman.

The future gog only removed kryptonite from superman's body, its not help to beat gog.

KC superman had the time to brace himself while superman got suckerpunched. If we are going to determine strength by who can punch whom far then obviously KC superman is just as strong as hercules.

Not when someone is killing his wife, he wasn't.

Even byrne superman could have gone faster.

Removing k-nite aided him. Without doing so Superman would have lost.

Being invulnerable means you don't have to brace yourself for attacks from lessers. Do you honestly think that's what Geoff Johns had in mind ? 99 percent of all comic book fans who love Superman know Kc Superman is portrayed as more than he is.

Kc Superman was in a limited amount of showings. That means he probably doesn't have comparable raw feats with numbers attached to it. In a direct comparison Kc was greater than Ne Superman. You can pretend it wasn't the intention of the writer and act foolish all you want. The writer made it clear.

Longer time in the sun means more powerful Superman. Try to run from it all you want.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Iman was trying to talk it out with Superman. He wasn't there for him either so he didn't kill him. He didn't flee from Superman like he did against Gog. He easily defeated Superman. That's a loss, bro.

Removing k-nite aided him. Without doing so Superman would have lost.

Being invulnerable means you don't have to brace yourself for attacks from lessers. Do you honestly think that's what Geoff Johns had in mind ? 99 percent of all comic book fans who love Superman know Kc Superman is portrayed as more than he is.

Kc Superman was in a limited amount of showings. That means he probably doesn't have comparable raw feats with numbers attached to it. In a direct comparison Kc was greater than Ne Superman. You can pretend it wasn't the intention of the writer and act foolish all you want. The writer made it clear.

Longer time in the sun means more powerful Superman. Try to run from it all you want.

Not this limited appearances bullshit. Cythonna has ONE appearance and we can draw conclusions that she was vastly stronger than superman. KC superman had ample time to prove himself, but didn't. One ambigious showing doesn't tells us much.
He wasn't in the sun, he was in FOS. Have you even read Kingdom come? He is a different superman and isn't comparable to their original power level, only their mutual feats are comparable.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am saying pre dcnu. Ever since he came back it's clear he's nowhere neat that powerful. His post was irrelevant in terms of arguing for Prime. Point is moot. Precrisis days are dead unless specified in the thread.

You're just being picky to try and avoid you making an incorrect statement. Best to quit before you dig yourself any further.

You made a post, it was incorrect. Can't we move on?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Iman was trying to talk it out with Superman. He wasn't there for him either so he didn't kill him. He didn't flee from Superman like he did against Gog. He easily defeated Superman. That's a loss, bro.

Removing k-nite aided him. Without doing so Superman would have lost.

Being invulnerable means you don't have to brace yourself for attacks from lessers. Do you honestly think that's what Geoff Johns had in mind ? 99 percent of all comic book fans who love Superman know Kc Superman is portrayed as more than he is.

Kc Superman was in a limited amount of showings. That means he probably doesn't have comparable raw feats with numbers attached to it. In a direct comparison Kc was greater than Ne Superman. You can pretend it wasn't the intention of the writer and act foolish all you want. The writer made it clear.

Longer time in the sun means more powerful Superman. Try to run from it all you want.

I thought you didnt go off topic quan. What does any of this have to do with Avengers vs Prime?

Originally posted by abhilegend
lolwut?

I don't care what those fans believe, I can draw conclusions on my own.

Not this limited appearances bullshit. Cythonna has ONE appearance and we can draw conclusions that she was vastly stronger than superman. KC superman had ample time to prove himself, but didn't. One ambigious showing doesn't tells us much.
He wasn't in the sun, he was in FOS. Have you even read Kingdom come? He is a different superman and isn't comparable to their original power level, only their mutual feats are comparable.

Kc Superman did prove himself directly. We had direct showings demonstrating he's superior to Ne Superman. There's also the he's been in the sun longer than ne Superman. You act as if you don't understand how Superman's powers work.

Kc Superman is earth 22 Superman. Yes, I did. He was taken out at a specific point in time only to return later to his own timestream.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You're just being picky to try and avoid you making an incorrect statement. Best to quit before you dig yourself any further.

You made a post, it was incorrect. Can't we move on?

Originally posted by TheMask
I thought you didnt go off topic quan. What does any of this have to do with Avengers vs Prime?

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You mean tons of time you do. Idiot

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Rearrenging the universe sounds like a PC feat to me. Getting beat down by the titans also sounds PC to me.