Superboy Prime vs Avengers

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'm fairly certain Thor could conjure up a stormfront dense enough to block out the sun over Manhattan, and if SBP leaves the battlefield to get more sunlight the Avengers would win via DQ. If he stands his ground in this situation Avengers could possibly take 4/10+ (sun blocked out plus Rulk draining while others pour it on), though that scenario is lowered more based on the likelihood of Thor actually using the tactic (he uses storms and lightning in combat a lot, but he'd have to specifically block out the sun with a thick cloud cover over NYC).

but would they know thats how to stop him?

^ If common knowledge doesn't grant it, then it's doubtful. SBP would need to brag about it or Noh-Varr would need to discover it mid-battle or Sentry would try to throw him into the Sun and SBP laughs about it.

Anyway, team healthily overpowers him straight-up. Especially if SBP ends up killing one of the less powerful characters on the field. Sodam Yat gave him an extended fight under the same circumstances.

Still prime. Yat was little more than a nuisance even after having Ion level shields and daxamite durability.

The Avengers wouldn't know to block the sun. And contrary to popular belief Prime isn't instantly depowered if he's not in the sun. And blocking the sun takes time. If Prime used his speed to any degree, most of this team is dead before they even know what hit them.

The fact that Kryptonians get their powers from the sun is common knowledge in the DCU and on DC Earth (Clark gave up the game in the Daily Planet years ago), and per forum rules would be common knowledge to the opposition (as well as it being a two way street, so Prime knows all the commonly known info about his opponents as well, i.e., Thor's a thunder god Asgardian, Hulk's a super strong gamma monster that gets stronger with rage, etc.). The Avengers wouldn't, however, know about traits unique to Prime that aren't common knowledge (like the fact that, while Kryptonian, his powers don't work exactly as regular Clark Kent/Kal El's powers do).

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The Avengers wouldn't know to block the sun. And contrary to popular belief Prime isn't instantly depowered if he's not in the sun. And blocking the sun takes time. If Prime used his speed to any degree, most of this team is dead before they even know what hit them.

As for speed? You mean to the degree he actually used it on-panel? Then, no. Even then, SBP isn't dealing with WWH, all-out Sentry, Thor easily.

The fact that Kryptonians get their powers from the sun is common knowledge in the DCU and on DC Earth (Clark gave up the game in the Daily Planet years ago), and per forum rules would be common knowledge to the opposition (as well as it being a two way street, so Prime knows all the commonly known info about his opponents as well, i.e., Thor's a thunder god Asgardian, Hulk's a super strong gamma monster that gets stronger with rage, etc.). The Avengers wouldn't, however, know about traits unique to Prime that aren't common knowledge (like the fact that, while Kryptonian, his powers don't work exactly as regular Clark Kent/Kal El's powers do).

true but they would also know that simply blocking out the sun wuldnt depower Superman at all unless it was blocked out for a long period of time (days/weeks) and they have no reason to believe Prime is any different so it wouldnt be a course of action imo

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
. You easily dismiss the infamy surrounding SBP among nearly every DC Earth hero there is. Which should bear on whether these certain Marvel Earth heroes would be aware. I'm not so sure I can casually dismiss that.

As for speed? You mean to the degree he actually used it on-panel? Then, no. Even then, SBP isn't dealing with WWH, all-out Sentry, Thor easily.

WWH and Thor have never dealt with this kind of speed:

http://imageshack.us/f/97/prime5jb.jpg

And even IF...a big IF....Sentry could hang with SBP's speed, if a hellicarrier knocks him back into a human being (and am I mistaken, or didn't he take an extra dose of the serum that made him Sentry in the first place before the events of Siege?) then SBP is beating him back to Robert Reynolds very quickly.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
WWH and Thor have never dealt with this kind of speed:

http://imageshack.us/f/97/prime5jb.jpg

And even IF...a big IF....Sentry could hang with SBP's speed, if a hellicarrier knocks him back into a human being (and am I mistaken, or didn't he take an extra dose of the serum that made him Sentry in the first place before the events of Siege?) then SBP is beating him back to Robert Reynolds very quickly.

Superman Prime got hurt by a rocket from Batman Jet. Superboy rocked him more than once. Do you really want to use low showings?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman Prime got hurt by a rocket from Batman Jet. Superboy rocked him more than once. Do you really want to use low showings?

How is it a low showing? Just because someone is KO'ed doesn't make it a low showing. But if that's how you want to rationalize it, that's fine with me. It's actually more rational than most things you say on this site. Sentry is 99% hype. I've thought for a long time that the 3 or 4 really high end showings for Sentry were more out of character for him than anything else.

oh, and nice context with your "low showings".

I can't believe I'm even bothering to reply to you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
. You easily dismiss the infamy surrounding SBP among nearly every DC Earth hero there is. Which should bear on whether these certain Marvel Earth heroes would be aware. I'm not so sure I can casually dismiss that.

As for speed? You mean to the degree he actually used it on-panel? Then, no. Even then, SBP isn't dealing with WWH, all-out Sentry, Thor easily.

Carver is on your side. That's not a good sign.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
WWH and Thor have never dealt with this kind of speed:

http://imageshack.us/f/97/prime5jb.jpg

And even IF...a big IF....Sentry could hang with SBP's speed, if a hellicarrier knocks him back into a human being (and am I mistaken, or didn't he take an extra dose of the serum that made him Sentry in the first place before the events of Siege?) then SBP is beating him back to Robert Reynolds very quickly.

That was Void. After he had endured several barrages from Norn Stone amped heroes, and a refreshed Thor, and far after Sentry had an extended fight with an all-out Thor.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Carver is on your side. That's not a good sign.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
How is it a low showing? Just because someone is KO'ed doesn't make it a low showing. But if that's how you want to rationalize it, that's fine with me. It's actually more rational than most things you say on this site. Sentry is 99% hype. I've thought for a long time that the 3 or 4 really high end showings for Sentry were more out of character for him than anything else.

oh, and nice context with your "low showings".

I can't believe I'm even bothering to reply to you.

You was the one starting with low showings buddy.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So they get sent flying backwards. Great.

My point was about speed, not power. The only instance I've ever seen of someone punching Thor really fast was in a What If (by Sentry actually), and he had no response for the fast punches. If you have an example (which you might...I haven't read EVERY Thor comic, or even remember all the ones I have read) I'd love to see it.

If we want to talk about the power of punches, I don't think anyone would claim Prime's punching feats can be matched by Thor or WWH. Thor's been KO'ed by a LOT less than the damage Prime can dish out.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

That was Void. After he had endured several barrages from Norn Stone amped heroes, and a refreshed Thor, and far after Sentry had an extended fight with an all-out Thor.

If anything, Void should be more powerful than Sentry, especially if like I think he was amped by a double dose of the serum. But even ignoring that, he's been physically beaten down before by less than what Prime can dish out.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I'm not carver9 and you're not h1a8 and other posters have nothing to do with the points you or I am making.

I was just joking.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman Prime got hurt by a rocket from Batman Jet. Superboy rocked him more than once. Do you really want to use low showings?

While your precious Hulk got owned by Spiderman all by his lonesome, and Captain America.

Originally posted by SquallX
While your precious Hulk got owned by Spiderman all by his lonesome, and Captain America.

Don't forget snakes, darts, bones, gas, human soldiers, batman, ....no it's too easy.

Originally posted by SquallX
While your precious Hulk got owned by Spiderman all by his lonesome, and Captain America.

You clearly missed the point of my post. Him using the Hellicarrier as some type of durability showing for Sentry is outright lowballing him. We both know Sentry and Prime is more powerful than what has been.brought up in this thread. If he wants to low ball and use it as an average for Sentry, why not do the same for others?

Originally posted by carver9
You clearly missed the point of my post. Him using the Hellicarrier as some type of durability showing for Sentry is outright lowballing him. We both know Sentry and Prime is more powerful than what has been.brought up in this thread. If he wants to low ball and use it as an average for Sentry, why not do the same for others?

again, prove it's lowballing. Whenever someone is knocked out, it doesn't automatically mean it's lowballing

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
again, prove it's lowballing. Whenever someone is knocked out, it doesn't automatically mean it's lowballing

Him surviving and withstanding punches from WWH is proof of this. These are punches from a weakened Hulk.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength4.jpg

More powerful than what any Hellicarrier can do and Sentry withstood punches from a more powerful Hulk and was asking for more. Like I said, you are clearly lowballing.