Superboy Prime vs Avengers

Originally posted by carver9
Him surviving and withstanding punches from WWH is proof of this. These are punches from a weakened Hulk.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength3.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/hulkstrength4.jpg

More powerful than what any Hellicarrier can do and Sentry withstood punches from a more powerful Hulk and was asking for more. Like I said, you are clearly lowballing.

LOTS....and LOTS of people "survived" punches from WWH.

Two questions:

1) How many people did WWH punch?

2) How man people did WWH kill?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
LOTS....and LOTS of people "survived" punches from WWH.

Two questions:

1) How many people did WWH punch?

2) How man people did WWH kill?

It was stated that WWH held back but he had no reason to pull his punches against Sentry, especially pulling them to the point that he wasn't hitting him with the force of a Hellicarrier.

This doesn't look like Hulk was pulling his punches.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh013.jpg

By the way, a lot of people got one shotted by WWH...Sentry performance against him was one of the best.

Originally posted by carver9
It was stated that WWH held back but he had no reason to pull his punches against Sentry, especially pulling them to the point that he wasn't hitting him with the force of a Hellicarrier.

This doesn't look like Hulk was pulling his punches.

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh013.jpg

haha. That's not proof of anything. That punch looked like practically every other punch he threw in that arc.

Practically every top tier hero is stated to pull their punches. We have no idea to what degree if any Hulk did. In fact the only time I remember it being stated was from Amadeus telling Hulk that Hulk must have been holding back. Amadeus wasn't there for the entire WWH arc, he didn't see the fights... and he didn't feel the punches, so he have no clue if Hulk was holding his punches or not.

Did Hulk actually say he was pulling his punches? If so, then you have a case.

And ASSUME you're right, and he was holding his punches. Then you would have to show me where it's stated he didn't pull his punches against Sentry. I can show scans from WWH that look like Hulk punching JUST LIKE THAT against other people. That scan proves nothing. Less than nothing really.

Fact is, WWH punched practically everyone on Marvel earth at one point or another from Dr. Strange, to street levelers, to Skrull Bolt, and THEY ALL SURVIVED. Sentry surviving WWH punches is a worthless argument.

when superman and hulk met, superman practically no sold Dr. banner. sbp makes superman and any other top tier brick look like a child. add his vast array of exotic powers you got yourself a winner in little Clark. the reason prime faces any challenge is so he doesn't become the antithesis of a deus ex machina.

Also, I do recall Sentry saying he wasn't holding back punches against WWH, but I didn't see where Hulk said the same thing.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
haha. That's not proof of anything. That punch looked like practically every other punch he threw in that arc.

Practically every top tier hero is stated to pull their punches. We have no idea to what degree if any Hulk did. In fact the only time I remember it being stated was from Amadeus telling Hulk that Hulk must have been holding back. Amadeus wasn't there for the entire WWH arc, he didn't see the fights... and he didn't feel the punches, so he have no clue if Hulk was holding his punches or not.

Did Hulk actually say he was pulling his punches? If so, then you have a case.

And ASSUME you're right, and he was holding his punches. Then you would have to show me where it's stated he didn't pull his punches against Sentry. I can show scans from WWH that look like Hulk punching JUST LIKE THAT against other people. That scan proves nothing. Less than nothing really.

Fact is, WWH punched practically everyone on Marvel earth at one point or another from Dr. Strange, to street levelers, to Skrull Bolt, and THEY ALL SURVIVED. Sentry surviving WWH punches is a worthless argument.

Hulk one shots She Hulk.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulk-Shehulk2.jpg

Hulk one shots Ares.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulkares.jpg

Hulk one shots Doc Samson.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound2.jpg

One punch Huggernaut to the point he is fatigued and finish him off. Huggernaut has some amazing durability showings like taking withstanding blows from King Hyperion and Thor and Ironman.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/77/27974227qg4.jpg/

First physical hit he laid on Ghost Rider drops him.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/11vn2.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/13ld3.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/15pq0.jpg/

First hit takes a lil fight out of Zom.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-014.jpg

Took enough fight out of him for the Hulk to bounce over there and beat the crap out of him.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-015.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-016.jpg

Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about. I can keep going with this but what's the point since Hulk punches were clearly greater than a hellicarrier and Sentry survived punches from a pissed Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk one shots She Hulk.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulk-Shehulk2.jpg

Hulk one shots Ares.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulkares.jpg

Hulk one shots Doc Samson.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound2.jpg

One punch Huggernaut to the point he is fatigued and finish him off. Huggernaut has some amazing durability showings like taking withstanding blows from King Hyperion and Thor and Ironman.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/77/27974227qg4.jpg/

First physical hit he laid on Ghost Rider drops him.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/11vn2.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/13ld3.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/15pq0.jpg/

First hit takes a lil fight out of Zom.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-014.jpg

Took enough fight out of him for the Hulk to bounce over there and beat the crap out of him.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-015.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-016.jpg

Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about. I can keep going with this but what's the point since Hulk punches were clearly greater than a hellicarrier and Sentry survived punches from a pissed Hulk.

I almost feel bad correcting you, because it's starting to feel like I'm beating up on a handicapped retard. Could Ares, She Hulk, Doc Samson....survive the Hellicarrier? What the hell are you trying to prove. All of those people survived. I don't see anywhere that it's shown he's not holding back. In fact, some of those punches look as intense as the ones he hit Sentry with. So AGAIN...

You're making my point for me!

You said, Sentry survived punches from WWH as some kind of proof for how durable sentry is.

Well, you now just showed me She Hulk and Ares surviving punches from WWH.

What's the big deal

You don't even know what you're arguing do u?

Originally posted by carver9
Hulk one shots She Hulk.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulk-Shehulk2.jpg

Hulk one shots Ares.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Hulkares.jpg

Hulk one shots Doc Samson.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l92/priest_85/Warbound2.jpg

One punch Huggernaut to the point he is fatigued and finish him off. Huggernaut has some amazing durability showings like taking withstanding blows from King Hyperion and Thor and Ironman.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/77/27974227qg4.jpg/

First physical hit he laid on Ghost Rider drops him.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/11vn2.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/13ld3.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/62/15pq0.jpg/

First hit takes a lil fight out of Zom.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-014.jpg

Took enough fight out of him for the Hulk to bounce over there and beat the crap out of him.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-015.jpg
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/AA-WWH03-016.jpg

Like I said, you don't know what you are talking about. I can keep going with this but what's the point since Hulk punches were clearly greater than a hellicarrier and Sentry survived punches from a pissed Hulk.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I almost feel bad correcting you, because it's starting to feel like I'm beating up on a handicapped retard. Could Ares, She Hulk, Doc Samson....survive the Hellicarrier? What the hell are you trying to prove. All of those people survived. I don't see anywhere that it's shown he's not holding back. In fact, some of those punches look as intense as the ones he hit Sentry with. So AGAIN...

You're making my point for me!

You said, Sentry survived punches from WWH as some kind of proof for how durable sentry is.

Well, you now just showed me She Hulk and Ares surviving punches from WWH.

What's the big deal

You don't even know what you're arguing do u?

Why can't they survive a Hellicarrier when they have survived hits from top tiers?

Not just Hulk, Sentry surviving attacks from Genis is proof of this...attacks that was shedding planets. Sentry flying in the sun is proof of this.

What was the force of the Hellicarrier that hit Sentry?

Originally posted by iceman24567
You realize none of those people are high end class 100 right?

They don't have to be high class 100, what they have withstood is proof that they have high end durability. Like I said before...Huggernaut has been hit by Thor, King Hyperion, along with other top tiers and withstood the attacks and kept fighting. Hulk dropping him like that was insane.

Originally posted by carver9
They don't have to be high class 100, what they have withstood is proof that they have high end durability. Like I said before...Huggernaut has been hit by Thor, King Hyperion, along with other top tiers and withstood the attacks and kept fighting. Hulk dropping him like that was insane.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Uh no Samson has shit durability, She Hulk is sub par nothing close to Thor level much less Odin power Thor. Huggernaut? carv you can do better

Uuummm, Samson doesn't have low durability. I'm not saying she Hulk is on Thor level durability wise but she is Hellava durable and again, dropping her in one punch is insane.

Huggernaut has withstood attacks from top tiers...he even withstood King Hypes heat vision that he stated was hitting Jugs at the temperature of a Sun.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm, Samson doesn't have low durability. I'm not saying she Hulk is on Thor level durability wise but she is Hellava durable and again, dropping her in one punch is insane.

Huggernaut has withstood attacks from top tiers...he even withstood King Hypes heat vision that he stated was hitting Jugs at the temperature of a Sun.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Samson has shit durability compared to top tiers and so do She Hulk. Huggernauts hf kept him in the game his durability failed him

I agree.

Originally posted by carver9
Why can't they survive a Hellicarrier when they have survived hits from top tiers?

Not just Hulk, Sentry surviving attacks from Genis is proof of this...attacks that was shedding planets. Sentry flying in the sun is proof of this.

What was the force of the Hellicarrier that hit Sentry?

I'm 100% sure if that Hellicarrier landed on Ares, he'd be at least KO'ed. (at least).

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
My point was about speed, not power. The only instance I've ever seen of someone punching Thor really fast was in a What If (by Sentry actually), and he had no response for the fast punches. If you have an example (which you might...I haven't read EVERY Thor comic, or even remember all the ones I have read) I'd love to see it.

If we want to talk about the power of punches, I don't think anyone would claim Prime's punching feats can be matched by Thor or WWH. Thor's been KO'ed by a LOT less than the damage Prime can dish out.

Sodam Yat can take it for an entire issue, so can several on this team. More so even. And this team can dish out more than the Teen Titans.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If anything, Void should be more powerful than Sentry, especially if like I think he was amped by a double dose of the serum. But even ignoring that, he's been physically beaten down before by less than what Prime can dish out.

I was just joking.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Sodam Yat can take it for an entire issue, so can several on this team. More so even.

Sodam Yat Ion was basically a slightly weaker version of a Kryptonian, with a GL ring AND ION POWER. SBP had also just started getting his powers back, and had just fought 20+ characters, most of whom where more powerful than the majority of this team. He also seemed to be toying with him most of the time. For instance, when he fought the GLs, he just let loose and started eye beaming them to death.

Most of this team, (minus Hulk of course) have had trouble taking on a weaker version of the Hulk than WWH ALL AT ONCE. The Avengers have struggled with far weaker opponents than Prime. And I think they'd either struggle with, or even be beaten by SYI.

And when Sentry is on a team, he tends to just become absolutely useless (I'm not thinking Siege, but in Civil War, Hercules arc, and some others).

For all of his supposed power, he gets beaten, drained of all his power, and marginalized a LOT.

And Sentry is probably the only one who has the speed to even keep up with Prime if he goes fast, and I doubt even he could. As far as I know his best speed feat was taking care of some problem in Libya in a very short amount of time. Which is nothing compared to Prime's speed, given that he out punched multiple flashes.

But, giving him the benefit of the doubt that he can hang with Prime in speed, those two could have a one-on-one fight before the rest of the team even knows what happened. And I don't think ANYONE thinks that one on one Sentry will last long against Prime.

Prime has some low showings, but so does everyone on the team, and for the most part, they have much lower ones than him. But none of them have higher showings that his best ones.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
All-out Sentry's more powerful than most of the people that SBP took down one-on-one.

Prime took down Kal-L (basically Pre-Crisis Superman) and Superman under a red sun after having flown through a 300 mile long wall of willpower and fought (and killed) LOTS of GLs. Prime doesn't usually fight one on one because there's not many heroes who can hang with him for any amount of time one on one.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Prime took down Kal-L (basically Pre-Crisis Superman) and Superman under a red sun after having flown through a 300 mile long wall of willpower and fought (and killed) LOTS of GLs. Prime doesn't usually fight one on one because there's not many heroes who can hang with him for any amount of time one on one.

Kal-l was nearly depleted of his power...Superman was as well. Then they were around kryptonite...the same kryptonite that doeant have any type of affect on Prime.

Kal-l isn't PC levels either. Prime has fought one on one on numerous of occasions.