Originally posted by Bentleynamor's will stems from the level of jackass he is. Which is over 100000000000.
Did Purpleman have that upgrade when attacking Doom? It seemed to me that when the machine was in use Purpleman had no control over the people he affected.The weird thing about that plot is that Namor had amazing will according to that arc!
Originally posted by NihilistI agree he took control of the naked energies (contained by the Cosmic Order) which was laid out for him per the specific designs of TOAA. When the supposed supreme being wants you to do something, it's pretty much impossible to fail. Even if it is Thanos.
Same old same old from you ODG. TOAA choose Thanos for a reason correct! and it still doesnt change the fact he took control of the naked enrgies of the HOTU by sheer willpower, no amount of spin can change that unless you have some other sort of on panel proof.
Originally posted by BentleyDoesn't need extreme will any more than a computer or a car. Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying that it doesn't need omnipotent will, nor infinite will, nor supreme will. Which has been thrown around a couple of times in the last pages.I admitted in my previous post that it was a good feat.
Or, it didn't take any more will to master it, than it took to, let's say, put on a "Gauntlet"?
Unless it is shown somewhere that it was a difficult task that was accomplished through horrible perseverance.
I don't understand how Thanos being part of the TOAA's grand plan has anything to do with the will power he exerted. The dialog states "I alone had the will and training to accomplish this seemingly impossible feat." It even uses the word "feat". lol
Thanos may have been only an instrument, but he was at least equal to the task. Otherwise it would have been someone else absorbing the HOTU.
Now, if it was Johnny Storm or Dumb Drax or someone, then I'd call bs.
Originally posted by BentleyTo master supreme power you need a will on a level it's own. Thanos' will has no peers imo save Lucifer who he still has beat imo. But as regards to this thread he's just too spotless for Doom.
I'm saying that it doesn't need omnipotent will, nor infinite will, nor supreme will. Which has been thrown around a couple of times in the last pages.I admitted in my previous post that it was a good feat.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Sigh, ur just mad it wasnt Doom.
I agree he took control of the naked energies (contained by the Cosmic Order) which was laid out for him per the specific designs of TOAA. When the supposed supreme being wants you to do something, it's pretty much impossible to fail. Even if it is Thanos.
Originally posted by BadabingThis guy gets it
I don't understand how Thanos being part of the TOAA's grand plan has anything to do with the will power he exerted. The dialog states "I alone had the will and training to accomplish this seemingly impossible feat." It even uses the word "feat". lolThanos may have been only an instrument, but he was at least equal to the task. Otherwise it would have been someone else absorbing the HOTU.
Now, if it was Johnny Storm or Dumb Drax or someone, then I'd call bs.
Originally posted by Horrificus
Doesn't need extreme will any more than a computer or a car. Is that what you are saying?Or, it didn't take any more will to master it, than it took to, let's say, put on a "Gauntlet"?
Unless it is shown somewhere that it was a difficult task that was accomplished through horrible perseverance.
I can't compare with no real world application, Thanos certainly had a big will power to master those energies, what I'm discussing is that the jump on logic from a great will power and a supreme will power is arbirtrary.
The Heart, was still made to be controlled.
Originally posted by quanchi112
To master supreme power you need a will on a level it's own. Thanos' will has no peers imo save Lucifer who he still has beat imo. But as regards to this thread he's just too spotless for Doom.
Your statement is not evident at all. Supreme will is not supreme power, the relationship you make is arbirtary and iffy at best.
Originally posted by BentleySo to master omnipotent power or supreme power you wouldn't need supreme willpower ? Based on what ? Thanos' willpower has no holes or weaknesses unlike Doom.
I can't compare with no real world application, Thanos certainly had a big will power to master those energies, what I'm discussing is that the jump on logic from a great will power and a supreme will power is arbirtrary.The Heart, was still made to be controlled.
Your statement is not evident at all. Supreme will is not supreme power, the relationship you make is arbirtary and iffy at best.
Did you honestly read the story ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
So to master omnipotent power or supreme power you wouldn't need supreme willpower ? Based on what ? Thanos' willpower has no holes or weaknesses unlike Doom.Did you honestly read the story ?
I don't think you can say Elaine Belloc had infinite willpower prior to being made omnipotent.
You claimed gaining omnipotence required infinite will. I provided an example of a situation where gaining omnipotence did not require infinite will.
The basis of your argument, therefore, is flawed. Nowhere did it say that Thanos required infinite will on panel. Nowhere did it say Thanos had infinite will on panel.
Originally posted by CogitoI stated mastering over omnipotent power in the fashion Thanos did so on panel lead me to believe such. Elaine's circumstances are different.
You claimed gaining omnipotence required infinite will. I provided an example of a situation where gaining omnipotence did not require infinite will.The basis of your argument, therefore, is flawed. Nowhere did it say that Thanos required infinite will on panel. Nowhere did it say Thanos had infinite will on panel.
I never said it was stated he had infinite will on panel that's the conclusion I came to. You can disagree if you want to.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I stated mastering over omnipotent power in the fashion Thanos did so on panel lead me to believe such. Elaine's circumstances are different.I never said it was stated he had infinite will on panel that's the conclusion I came to. You can disagree if you want to.
You're making up necessary traits based on what you want to be true, without on-panel evidence to support it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So how is it illogical of me to assign unlimited willpower to master unlimited power of the highest order ?
Because it didn't say as much on panel? Thanos didn't need infinite strength, or infinite wisdom, or infinite anything to gain omnipotence. Why would we assume he needed - and had - infinite will?
Originally posted by CogitoHe mastered it through willpower alone. Intelligence or wisdom wasn't given as the reason this was made possible. Like I said my theory is very logical.
Because it didn't say as much on panel? Thanos didn't need infinite strength, or infinite wisdom, or infinite anything to gain omnipotence. Why would we assume he needed - and had - infinite will?