Thanos vs. Goku.

Started by carver917 pages

I never said Roshi would beat Thanos...what I did say is Roshi would see Thanos in slow mo whitch means Thanos would be in stand still motion against Goku...even against Goku during his fight against King Piccolo. We are not talking about people like Gladiator, Hyperion, Superman, or Wonder Woman...we are talking about a being that consistently use his speed to dodge, fight, and maneuver.

Lol...Frieza final form who had enough power to lay waste to a planet bigger than Earth with his index finger (while only using 0.025% of his true power) couldnt put a scratch on someone like Goku during the Android Saga with his power output. I know for a fact Thanos does not generate as much power as Frieza. With that said, yes, I sure do think Goku would shrug off Thanos attack...that's IF he can even get one in before being blitzed into submission. Thanos never fought someone like Goku...a being that can go completely invisible right in front of your face. Hell, Runner didn't even do that when he fought Thanos. He was visible the entire time. TP is Thanos only hope.

Gladiator, Hyperion, Superman, and Wonder Woman are faster than Goku. Thousands of times faster in fact.

Freeza's final form could only destroy a planet, he isn't even on the level of Silver Surfer, much less Thanos. 👆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gladiator, Hyperion, Superman, and Wonder Woman are faster than Goku. Thousands of times faster in fact.

Freeza's final form could only destroy a planet, he isn't even on the level of Silver Surfer, much less Thanos. 👆

So they're much faster than someone who is massively faster than light in combat? (See: Goku dodge Cell's Kamehameha which traveled twice the earth's diameter in an instant) Based on what? Matter of fact, I asked for a single quantifiable scan of Wonder Woman fighting at FTL and the person did not reply. So I'm sure she's out of the picture. But using the same way you're arguing for the above characters' speeds, we can also conclude that DBZ characters had LS/FTL reaction speeds as early as 21st Budokai. Doing something once or twice doesn't mean anything, especially if the characters in question have literally tens of thousands of appearances. Same goes for why we don't use low showings or outliers like Roshi blowing up the moon or Goku struggling with 40 tons.

And Frieza destroyed Vegeta, a planet much larger than earth, in his first form with a casual blast. Canon in the manga and further reinforced by the Bardock Special. Also, it is clearly explained in the manga why Frieza didn't outright blow up Namek, so I don't know why you'd use that to gauge Frieza's power.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
So they're much faster than someone who is massively faster than light in combat?

Goku isn't massively FTL at all.

See: Goku dodge Cell's Kamehameha which traveled twice the earth's diameter in an instant.

Traveling 24,000,000 meters in a second is not even a tenth of the speed of light, first of all.

Second of all, you have no idea how long it took Cell's blast to travel that far (Though others have tried to calculate the speed, it came out to about mach 28,000 apparently).

Third of all, Goku couldn't dodge it, he had to use Instant Transmission.

Matter of fact, I asked for a single quantifiable scan of Wonder Woman fighting at FTL and the person did not reply.

She fought Superman to the sun and back in less than two minutes.

That was easy.

And Frieza destroyed Vegeta in his first form with a casual blast. Canon in the manga and further reinforced by the Bardock Special.

So what you are saying is that Freeza has only destroyed planets?

Great, I agree.

Read the edit.

Traveling 24,000,000 meters in a second is not even a tenth of the speed of light, first of all.

Second of all, you have no idea how long it took Cell's blast to travel that far (Though others have tried to calculate the speed, it came out to about mach 28,000 apparently).

Third of all, Goku couldn't dodge it, he had to use Instant Transmission.

Goku teleported before the Kamehameha hit him and the said Kamehameha traveled that distance before Goku got behind Cell. Therefore, the Kamehameha traveled that distance in less than an "instant," whatever that means. Also, where are you getting the second from? They'd have full fights in 0.2 seconds during part 1.

And you implied something different about Frieza's power, but it's whatever.

Wonder Woman didn't fight Superman to the sun and back in two minutes. She was getting heat vision the entire way. Glad thats out of the way. I'll be waiting for Nemebro to post scans of the others FIGHTING at light speeds. Can't wait to see it (where's that bucket of popcorn).

I've seen some insane Gladiator feats here and there though. Superman obviously has a ton since he has about a million appearences in comic books. Not sure about Hyperion and Silver Surfer's the definition of a btch.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder Woman didn't fight Superman to the sun and back in two minutes. She was getting heat vision the entire way. Glad thats out of the way. I'll be waiting for Nemebro to post scans of the others FIGHTING at light speeds. Can't wait to see it (where's that bucket of popcorn).
Why would I give a pussy like you who can't even provide a feat of Goku busting mountains with the shockwave of his punches a scan?

Get out of the thread girly. Men are talking.

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Read the edit.

What is the edit showing me that I'm supposed to see?

Goku teleported before the Kamehameha hit him and the said Kamehameha traveled that distance before Goku got behind Cell. Therefore, the Kamehameha traveled that distance in less than an "instant," whatever that means. Also, where are you getting the second from? They'd have full fights in 0.2 seconds during part 1.

Do you know the time between entering IT and exiting it?

And you implied something different about Frieza's power, but it's whatever.

I'm implying Silver Surfer is more powerful yes.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why would I give a pussy like you who can't even provide a feat of Goku busting mountains with the shockwave of his punches a scan?

Get out of the thread girly. Men are talking.

I posted scans of this a while back, no need to do it again.

@Tyrant or Nemebro...

Lets see those combat showings. Flying is one thing, fighting at high speed is a completely different ball game.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What is the edit showing me that I'm supposed to see?

Do you know the time between entering IT and exiting it?

It's "instantaneous" by DBZ standards. So very, very, very fast. Whatever the interval is, it is sure as hell less than a second as you said earlier. And Goku used IT just before the Kamehameha wave hit him and only reached cell after that said blast had travelled a huge distance. It's clearly much much faster than light man. But I'm curious to how fast you would say end of series Dragon Ball characters are? Like hypersonic?

I'm implying Silver Surfer is more powerful yes.

You kind of said that Frieza could only destroy planets in his final form and I said that's not true from what we've seen in the manga and the Bardock special.

Let me get this straight, Galactus has a tough time with Thanos and so do the sky fathers, and you guys think Goku can kill Thanos...lmao.

SS4 Gogeta would be the only one who has a chance here, the rest of this is tom foolery.

Originally posted by Supra
Let me get this straight, Galactus has a tough time with Thanos and so do the sky fathers, and you guys think Goku can kill Thanos...lmao.

SS4 Gogeta would be the only one who has a chance here, the rest of this is tom foolery.

Goku won't win against Thanos, but this thread's not about that anymore.

No one is faster then Goku, case closed.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What is the edit showing me that I'm supposed to see?

Do you know the time between entering IT and exiting it?

I'm implying Silver Surfer is more powerful yes.

Goku states in the manga that instant transmission is instantaneous. It is also stated in the Daizenshuu. It is cannon. Cell was using a weak kamehameha wave(for him), and it bypassed the speed of time itself.

It doesn't make sense, but it happened, just like with the Flash when he beat someone in a race who was teleporting. Cell's beam traveled into orbit before Goku reappeared with IT, which is instantaneous, making it faster than instant. Goku needed IT to dodge it though, because Cell couldn't make its path change at that speed, and Goku has reaction faster than instantaneous apparently. It should have hit the instant cell shot it, but Goku had time to think of a way to dodge it.

Another quantifiable speed feat is when Goku as a child dodged a condensed beam of photons capable of town busting at close range. Photons/lasers move at light speed, and Goku later tanked the same blast, which from lasers reaches temperatures around 11 times hotter than the core of the sun. That was a town busting laser that Goku's kamehameha wave would have eaten. Imagine how hot a SSJ3 reality busting kamehameha from him would be. Anyway, that was with a power level of around 100, and his power level in SSJ3 is in the sextillions, but power levels translate differently, I'll explain.

A normal farmer when Raditz came to Earth had a power level of 5, but that was with a shotgun, so it increased. When they first explained how Goku was sent to Earth, it explained that his power level was two, about that of the average earthling. With this, we can assume the farmers base power level was two. Now, Kid Goku with a power level of around ten could move ten ton boulders with ease. Since the average man weighs 190 pounds, and can lift about as much as he weighs, that means the man should have been capable of lifting 190 pounds, or while pushing a rock like Goku did, around 300. This means with a difference in PL of 5 times, there is a strength gap of around 19,700 pounds, or about 67 times more strength. This can be gauged to also determine things like speed and stamina, as DBZ characters are about equal in all their attributes. So, a power difference of 5 yields a 67 times power gap between the smaller and larger powers.

This means that SSJ3 Goku who has a power level of around 1 sextillion, which I've calculated, is capable of power over 744,444,444,444,400,000,000,000,000,000,000, or 744 nonillion, 444 octillion, 444 septillion, 444 sextillion, 400 quintillion times more power than Saiyan saga Vegeta. This includes his ki capacity, speed, reaction and destructive force. Now, since Vegeta could blow up a planet with one attack in the Saiyan saga, SSJ3 Goku can blow up over 744 nonillion planets with one attack, which is more than a million times more planets than exist in the universe. However, there are still stars and black holes to account for, so altogether, SSJ3 Goku can destroy over 10,000 universes in one attack. SSJG uses godly ki, which is literally a million times more condensed and powerful/destructive than normal ki, but with also ten times more ki proportionate to SSJ3 ki levels. That means SSJG can destroy around 100,000,000,000 of our universes with one attack. It doesn't seem too far fetched to be able to easily destroy reality with a scream now, does it?

So, since they casually fight with these types of blasts and powers, we can also assume that since ki capacity and durability are connected, that he can tank the same kinds of blasts with the same power. Thanos couldn't dream of touching Goku, who could destroy reality with a wave.

With the power difference examined in DBZ, from reality busting and punching holes in dimensions with a scream, this isn't far-fetched at all to calculate that they can destroy multiverses with ease. I doubt anyone in all of DC or Marvel could beat Whiss, excluding TOAA. I could say he would lose though, because he's basically featless, but statements wouldn't be there if they weren't meant to be. Thanos gets his penis caved in by Tien.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gladiator, Hyperion, Superman, and Wonder Woman are faster than Goku. Thousands of times faster in fact.

Freeza's final form could only destroy a planet, he isn't even on the level of Silver Surfer, much less Thanos. 👆

Except Frieza destroyed a planet with a flick of his finger in first form easily. In the manga, he said he wanted to keep fighting Goku, which is why he didn't destroy Namek in one blast, he just didn't want Goku to survive after the fight. That's like saying TOAA couldn't beat Hulk because he never has.

Goku can move instantly, and can move trillions of times FTL easily. IIRC, Surfer is the fastest of those, still only being a bit FTL. Kid Goku dodged photons as a child with a power level of 100. I already explained the difference in power levels last comment, so SSJ3 is MASSIVELY faster than trillions of times FTL. Not to mention that Cell's kamehameha was faster than instant transmission(which is instantaneous), and Goku has reacted to blasts much faster than that.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
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Why do trolls like you always make long-ass posts for no reason whatsoever? Power levels aren't linear so your entire post is false and runs on pure speculation and fan logic. Also, nothing in the manga indicates that Dragon Ball characters are outright above solar system level in terms of destructive capacity (and that may as well just be hyperbole)

Originally posted by TheTyrant
Why do trolls like you always make long-ass posts for no reason whatsoever? Power levels aren't linear so your entire post is false and runs on pure speculation and fan logic. Also, nothing in the manga indicates that Dragon Ball characters are outright above solar system level in terms of destructive capacity (and that may as well just be hyperbole)

I know power levels don't scale linearly. An increase of 5 in power levels can make someone around 70 times more powerful.

In the manga, Supreme Kai stated that in only a couple of years, Buu had destroyed countless planets and even entire galaxies. That puts him at galaxy level at least.

Again, Kid Goku dodged photons, and SSJ3 Goku's power level is in the quintillions. That instantly breaks anything Thanos could dream of. Plus, you know, instant transmission. Oh, and the hole, "beams can go faster than instantaneous movement.", thing.

The only thing you said in reply to me was "I can't grasp simple mathematics, so power levels don't make sense to me.", and, "I haven't read DBZ and and am ignorant to the series as a whole, so I'm going to just say everything is hyperbole because even though the author wouldn't have said that without purpose, I'm just unable to grasp the concept of another character being superior to the one I think is superior, and me being wrong in general because... I'm ignorant.".

You make yourself look stupid by pointing out one thing in my argument(that actually makes your counter-argument look more in my favor), and stating my entire post in null and void.

Get back to jerking in your basement, I don't have time to deal with fangirls that can't accept reality.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
[B]I know power levels don't scale linearly. An increase of 5 in power levels can make someone around 70 times more powerful.

Calculations? Toriyama has claimed to be bad with numbers. Lmao at calculations.

In the manga, Supreme Kai stated that in only a couple of years, Buu had destroyed countless planets and even entire galaxies. That puts him at galaxy level at least.

It said hundreds of planets, only, No mention of galaxy and it said "several hundred," not countless.

I'll just go ahead and drop it here since you don't know your source.

Thanos destroys Goku 🙁