Thanos vs. Goku.

Started by StyleTime17 pages

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Thanos has tanked black holes.

I know. I just got caught up on the planet busting thing. It's annoying when dbz fans think planet busting is the greatest thing ever. It doesn't even put you above herald level, much less Thanos.

Originally posted by mindmyenglish
Thanos' reflexes and speed are above normal human levels. While not able to compete in this area at the level of speedier, more agile heroes like Spider-Man, Thanos is far faster than a being of his size ( 6'7" in height, 985 lbs of mass. ) should have a right to be.

The looseleaf edition of the HBOTMU states that both his speed and agility are at the "enhanced human" level

Anyway...

Originally posted by mindmyenglish
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Originally posted by mindmyenglish
mindrape? where?

Originally posted by StyleTime
I know. I just got caught up on the planet busting thing. It's annoying when dbz fans think planet busting is the greatest thing ever. It doesn't even put you above herald level, much less Thanos.

Too bad Goku IS above Herald level and I'm talking about Black hair Goku.

Let's see... Goku's durability is under herald, Goku's versatility is under herald... Yeah, not seeing it.

EoS DB characters are low-herald at the very best.

Originally posted by Bentley
Let's see... Goku's durability is under herald, Goku's versatility is under herald... Yeah, not seeing it.

Goku durability is above Herald, Goku power is above Herald. Goku stomps.

"Typical Herald - level abilities include:

- Able to destroy planets and stars
- Degree of cosmic awareness (ability to perceive the happenings of the universe)
- Usually a good degree of matter/energy manipulation (such as transmutation)
- Faster Than Light speed travel
- Some limited level of Time Travel/Manipulation"

DB has destroying planets.. that is all.

Originally posted by BloodRain
"Typical Herald - level abilities include:

- Able to destroy planets and stars
- Degree of cosmic awareness (ability to perceive the happenings of the universe)
- Usually a good degree of matter/energy manipulation (such as transmutation)
- Faster Than Light speed travel
- Some limited level of Time Travel/Manipulation"

DB has destroying planets.. that is all.

King Ki has shown with what would equate to 'cosmic awareness'.

Namekians have 'Magic Materialization', which is the ability to create matter out of nothingness. Far superior to transmutation. Transmutation does exist in DBZ though.

Goku (and others) can use 'Instant Transmission'. Which would equate to faster-than-light speeds.

Time-Travel exist in BDZ. (Future)Trunks did it as an example.

Really low scale transmutation (making clothes), using machines to time travel isn't by their own power, and Instant transmission is teleportation which has nothing to do with speed.

As said, the strongest characters in DB are low-herald.

Turning a simple club into dimensional sword isn't "low scale", as an example. Magic Materialization (something from nothing) surpasses transmutation though.

Instant Transmission is equal/better than FTL travel.

So the only real thing is time-traveling without the use of a machine.

It is pretty low. And making things out of magic has nothing to do with and is below manipulating matter to your whim.

No, its teleporting. Speed is covering a distance, teleporting does not include distance. Speed =/= teleporting. Also Goku can only use it as fast as his reactions are, which is below FTL.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It is pretty low. And making things out of magic has nothing to do with and is below manipulating matter to your whim.

No, its teleporting. Speed is covering a distance, teleporting does not include distance. Speed =/= teleporting. Also Goku can only use it as fast as his reactions are, which is below FTL.

No, that example wouldn't be low. Creating electrical energy from nothing is more impressive than turning a teacup into electrical energy. This isn't debatable.

Yes; which is more impressive. Teleporting anywhere in the galaxy instantly is superior in having to travel from point A to B at ridiculous speeds.

You posted a list of "typical herald powers" and are now asserting that more impressive powers don't matter, since they don't meet your insanely strict demands you're imposed.

It is. Theres a reason why there's an endless amount of characters that can create energy, electricity, fire etc and only a handful that can break down and rewrite /any matter/ into something completely different. The point is that DB has manipulation as blasts and low transmutation levels, and yes low seeing as the best feat is turning people into food or making clothes.

1- He can't teleport anywhere without sensing ki first, which takes a while. 2- He couldn't go to Namek without King Kai's senses. 3- Teleporting is only useful when crossing distance while speed gives you movement, combat speed and reactions. Can't really argue that Nightcrawler's teleports are more impressive than Silver Surfer's FTL speed.

'insanely strict'? No, what I'm saying is that the top tiers are low herald as no one has the speed, a few characters have limited matter manipulation, less have cosmic awareness. For that list above the top characters (Buuhan and Vegito) are planet busters with mid-low matter control. Around low herald.

Originally posted by carver9
Too bad Goku IS above Herald level and I'm talking about Black hair Goku.

Only if you ignore the feats of all the heralds.

Originally posted by Astner
What telepathy?

So... Do you think Thanos can mind-rape Goku if given time or what?

Originally posted by Bentley
So... Do you think Thanos can mind-rape Goku if given time or what?

No, not without equipment such as the mind gem.

Originally posted by Bentley
There:

http://www.comicbookresources.com/prev_img.php?pid=12617&pg=5


How is this a telepathic feat?

In the next page you see Hulk fighting the Avengers against his own will via Thanos' telepathy.

I think Thanos can mind control Goku just fine, soul gem or not.

Originally posted by Astner
No, not without equipment such as the mind gem.

How is this a telepathic feat?

Mind control is a very common use of telepathy in comics. Thanos is clearly shown controlling Hulk.

It seemed very clear to me 😕

Originally posted by carver9
Forgot to add...Black hair Goku would win this.

That's some funny shit right there.

Originally posted by BloodRain
"Typical Herald - level abilities include:

- Able to destroy planets and stars
- Degree of cosmic awareness (ability to perceive the happenings of the universe)
- Usually a good degree of matter/energy manipulation (such as transmutation)
- Faster Than Light speed travel
- Some limited level of Time Travel/Manipulation"

DB has destroying planets.. that is all.

Just want to clear things up:

-Saiyan Arc Vegeta at power level of 18000 could one shot the Planet Earth, the highest recorded power level is 150,000,000. Cell stated he could destroy the whole Solar System with a full power Kame Hame Ha.
(Not all Heralds can destroy Planets and no Herald can destroy a star with raw energy blast, but few of them can through transmutation and chain reaction)

-Kaioh could perceive the happenings in the universe and after life. Goku can if he concentrates.
(Firelord and Silver Surfer are the only Heralds that can use Cosmic Sense/Knowledge)

-Kami recreated the moon. Buu changed the entire population of the city into candies and clays.
(Silver Surfer is the only Herald who can use transmutation)

-Instant Transmission
(Not all Herals can travel faster than light, ex. Terrax, Firelord, Stardust, Morg, Red Shift)

-DragonBall characters can't time travel under their own abilities
(not all the Heralds can Time Travel)

Silver Surfer is not the standard measurement of a typical Herald but the strongest Herald.

Typical for Heralds:

-Usage of Power Cosmic/Cosmic Energy to augment their attributes

-Does not need to eat, sleep and breathe

-Can travel unaided in space

Heralds are simply created to look for energy rich worlds for Galactus to consume.

Heralds are not created to fight or go to war.