Thanos vs. Goku.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
Just want to clear things up:

-Saiyan Arc Vegeta at power level of 18000 could one shot the Planet Earth, the highest recorded power level is 150,000,000. Cell stated he could destroy the whole Solar System with a full power Kame Hame Ha.
(Not all Heralds can destroy Planets and no Herald can destroy a star with raw energy blast, but few of them can through transmutation and chain reaction)

I'm getting sick tired of people using flawed power levels as an argument to support anything. The power level system is flawed and was debunked years ago with simple math. Here's a recap: A farmer with a shotgun was rated with a power level of 5. While Roshi when he vaped the moon had a power level of 180. Using this power level argument If took say 36 farmers with shotguns their combine power level would be the same as Roshi. So, according to DBZ 36 farmer with shotguns can vape the moon.

cell was trying to outmatch gohan to the best of his ability when their beams stalemated (for a time)--it's safe to say no solar systems were harmed by more than 200% of that alleged power cell said he had

Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm getting sick tired of people using flawed power levels as an argument to support anything. The power level system is flawed and was debunked years ago with simple math. Here's a recap: A farmer with a shotgun was rated with a power level of 5. While Roshi when he vaped the moon had a power level of 180. Using this power level argument If took say 36 farmers with shotguns their combine power level would be the same as Roshi. So, according to DBZ 36 farmer with shotguns can vape the moon.

And I'm getting sick of tired people debunking Toriyama's work as if they are more knowledgeable than the author. Kaiohken and Super Saiyan multiplies power, it was stated in the manga and databooks. You can't debunked anything that was stated by the author. You're just a nobody in Dragon Ball franchise.

-Power Level of 139 alone cannot destroy the moon. It requires Ki -Control and Technique.
-Shotgun has no Ki Signature.
-Power Level of 5 is the standard Power Level for NORMAL HUMANS.
-Farmer can't use Ki control and Ki technique.

Using your Logic:
Imperfect Cell absorbed humans/life extract/ki from several towns are enough to overpower Super Namek Piccolo and No. 17.
Are you telling me that humans from several towns could beat Freeza? LOL

So, your opinion is still debunked or will remain as personal biased opinion unless Toriyama himself or the databook will point us that the power levels are flawed, if not, live with it.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
cell was trying to outmatch gohan to the best of his ability when their beams stalemated (for a time)--it's safe to say no solar systems were harmed by more than 200% of that alleged power cell said he had

It's safe to assume that your statement is anime filler. So, big no, Cell wasn't trying to outmatch Gohan to the best of his ability.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

-Power Level of 139 alone cannot destroy the moon. It requires Ki -Control and Technique.
-Shotgun has no Ki Signature.
-Power Level of 5 is the standard Power Level for NORMAL HUMANS.
-Farmer can't use Ki control and Ki technique.

-I stated PL 180 not 139.
-So, why did it effect radditz scouter?
-Okay, So, 36 humans without shotguns could destroy the moon.
-What does that have to do with his power level?

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Are you telling me that humans from several towns could beat Freeza? LOL

No, because his power level is in the millions. Moon busting power levels aren't even remotely close to that figure. So, that's an irrelevant red herring.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

So, your opinion is still debunked or will remain as personal biased opinion unless Toriyama himself or the databook will point us that the power levels are flawed, if not, live with it.

It doesn't matter since his system has a critical flaw. Apparently 36 farmers with shotguns combined have enough power to vape a moon.
Such a flawed system can't be scaled off because it's inherently silly.

Originally posted by Classic NES
-I stated PL 180 not 139.
-So, why did it effect radditz scouter?
-Okay, So, 36 humans without shotguns could destroy the moon.
-What does that have to do with his power level?

Did you read my post?

Shotgun is inanimate object, it doesn't have life signature.

Normal Humans can't use KI Control and KI Technique. Unless you can prove us that Normal Humans can.

Gohan in his first appearance who couldn't use KI Control and KI Technique has a power level of over 1000, can he bust the moon?
Of course not.

Originally posted by Classic NES

No, because his power level is in the millions. Moon busting power levels aren't even remotely close to that figure. So, that's an irrelevant red herring.

Yet Imperfect Cell who consumed humans from several towns defeated No. 17 and Super Piccolo. LOL
Normal Humans who can't use KI is irrelevant red herring.

Look, Kaiohken and Super Saiyan multiplies power and here you are dividing it back which is irrelevant red herring, LOL.

Originally posted by Classic NES

It doesn't matter since his system has a critical flaw. Apparently 36 farmers with shotguns combined have enough power to vape a moon.
Such a flawed system can't be scaled off because it's inherently silly.

How is it flaw when haters are the only one dividing it and not the manga or any Dragon Ball Databooks. LOL

Prove it, since when did Toriyama used power level division in any of his technique, LOL.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Normal Humans can't use KI Control and KI Technique. Unless you can prove us that Normal Humans can.

Gohan in his first appearance who couldn't use KI Control and KI Technique has a power level of over 1000, can he bust the moon?
Of course not.

I'm not just talking about Ki control, It's energy. 36 humans combined have enough energy to destroy the moon. The fact that you're being defensive about it shows you realize how stupid this is? Toriyama would have you accept that a large classroom of people, combined have enough power to destroy the moon.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Yet Imperfect Cell who consumed humans from several towns defeated No. 17 and Super Piccolo.

We don't know how much humans he consumed. So, you can't factor into your arbitrary power levels. Sorry.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

How is it flaw when haters are the only one dividing it and not the manga or any Dragon Ball Databooks. LOL

Weren't you the one who was earlier trying to scale PL using math? So, only DBZ fans can use math to prove their silly arguments. But, when I use it it doesn't count because I'm a "hater"?

Originally posted by Classic NES
I'm not just talking about Ki control, It's energy. 36 humans combined have enough energy to destroy the moon. The fact that you're being defensive about it shows you realize how stupid this is? Toriyama would have you accept that a large classroom of people, combined have enough power to destroy the moon.

I'm not defensive, I'm telling you, there's no such thing as power level division.

And Gohan without Ki Control/Technique with a power level of 1000 couldn't bust a moon. LOL, energy is nothing without application.

Originally posted by Classic NES
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We don't know how much humans he consumed. So, you can't factor into your arbitrary power levels. Sorry.

No, I'm asking you using your logic if the humans from several towns can defeat Freeza. LOL.

Originally posted by Classic NES
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Weren't you the one who was earlier trying to scale PL using math? So, only DBZ fans can use math to prove their silly arguments. But, when I use it it doesn't count because I'm a "hater"?

??

Power Level multiplication came from canon Kaiohken and Super Saiyan.

Now, where did you get your Power Level Division.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
I'm not defensive, I'm telling you, there's no such thing as power level division.

And Gohan without Ki Control/Technique with a power level of 1000 couldn't bust a moon. LOL, energy is nothing without application.

So, 36 humans applying their energy together would destroy the moon. Point still stands. Doesn't matter if it's shotguns or Ki blast.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

No, I'm asking you using your logic if the humans from several towns can defeat Freeza. LOL.

Which has nothing to do with destroying the moon.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Power Level multiplication came from canon Kaiohken and Super Saiyan.

And, you can multiply 36 times PL5 to get the PL 180. 😬

Originally posted by Classic NES
So, 36 humans applying their energy together would destroy the moon. Point still stands. Doesn't matter if it's shotguns or Ki blast.

36 NORMAL HUMANS does not equate to 1 Superhuman with a power level of 180.

Originally posted by Classic NES

Which has nothing to do with destroying the moon.

Freeza is above destroying the moon. LOL.
Your argument is group of normal humans, are you saying 36 Normal Humans could match Roshi? Prove it.

Using your logic:

Normal Humans from several towns can beat Freeza? Prove it

All Normal Humans from the Planet Earth can beat Kid Buu? Prove it.

Originally posted by Classic NES

And, you can multiply 36 times PL5 to get the PL 180. 😬

KI/Energy fused probably since it's already a single and different method , but 36 NORMAL HUMANS gathering together NO. What can 36 Normal Humans do? Nothing.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
36 NORMAL HUMANS does not equate to 1 Superhuman with a power level of 180.

They equal the same power level combined.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Your argument is group of normal humans.

No, my argument is that 36 humans combined energy output rivals roshi's. I've proven it with simple math and it proves that scaling of PL is silly because the whole PL system isn't well thought out.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

KI/Energy fused probably since it's already a single and different method

Or the PL method is gimped.

Originally posted by Classic NES
They equal the same power level combined.

If it is fused, it's no longer Normal Human's power level of 5. That's super human.

Originally posted by Classic NES

No, my argument is that 36 humans combined energy output rivals roshi's. I've proven it with simple math and it proves that scaling of PL is silly because the whole PL system isn't well thought out.

Again, combined energy is no longer Normal Human's power level of 5. Look, in Marvel's way Cap is 2x the normal human, is he a normal?
It's the same as combined energy from several town that overpowered No. 17 and Super Piccolo.
It's the same as combined energy from Earth that erased Majin-Buu.

Originally posted by Classic NES

Or the PL method is gimped.

Look, 36 normal humans will not read as 1 power level. Your making it gimped just to win an argument, you can't even provide proof on your claims, my proof is the Kaiohken Multiplier, what's yours? Nothing but hater's opinion.

Originally posted by nij-ayias
If it is fused, it's no longer Normal Human's power level of 5. That's super human.

And, the total is the same. 36 humans combined have the power to bust the moon.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

It's the same as combined energy from several town that overpowered No. 17 and Super Piccolo.

We don't know how many people they were.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

It's the same as combined energy from Earth that erased Majin-Buu.

That was more than 36 people.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Look, 36 normal humans will not read as 1 power level. Your making it gimped just to win an argument, you can't even provide proof on your claims, my proof is the Kaiohken Multiplier, what's yours? Nothing but hater's opinion.

Simple math 36 times PL5 to get the PL 180. 🙂

Originally posted by Classic NES
And, the total is the same. 36 humans combined have the power to bust the moon.

Are we going circles here? Again, 36 normal humans have no ability to combined their KI because they are normal. Even if they could, they need to give that energy to a person who can use KI Control/KI Technique.

What's the problem if it's combined? A combined Ki of Krilin, Namek Arc Gohan and Namek Arc Piccolo could knock down Final Freeza once.

Originally posted by Classic NES

We don't know how many people they were.

That was more than 36 people.

And we don't know Super Piccolo and Kid Buu's power level as well. What I'm saying is it's the same logic.

Originally posted by Classic NES

Simple math 36 times PL5 to get the PL 180. 🙂

It's not evidence but opinion.

Normal Humans won't endure Kaiohken Multiplication, you need high power levels to do that. Goku at 8000 power level couldn't make Kaiohken x 5. What makes you think Normal Human's power level of 5 can? Provide source please.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

What's the problem if it's combined? A combined Ki of Krilin, Namek Arc Gohan and Namek Arc Piccolo could knock down Final Freeza once.

Oh, so, you're okay with 36 humans having enough energy to vape the moon?

Originally posted by nij-ayias

And we don't know Super Piccolo and Kid Buu's power level as well. What I'm saying is it's the same logic.

But, we have no numbers. Especially, such a low number like 36 being enough to moonbust.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

It's not evidence but opinion.

Math isn't my opinion.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

Normal Humans won't endure Kaiohken. . .

Doesn't matter since 36 humans have enough energy to vape the moon.

Originally posted by Classic NES
Oh, so, you're okay with 36 humans having enough energy to vape the moon?

Hey, KID? Did I say humans?I said KI. If they'll make the same process as what Imperfect Cell did or Goku did to erase Buu. Probably.

But 36 humans on their own,without assistance of any Ki Users. NO.

Originally posted by Classic NES

But, we have no numbers. Especially, such a low number like 36 being enough to moonbust.

Use your logic, normal humans from several town can't do a thing to Imperfect Cell.
36 Normal Humans can't do shit unless someone will absorb them or use their KI.

Originally posted by Classic NES

Math isn't my opinion.

It's opinion because it was not stated in manga or databooks.

Originally posted by Classic NES

Doesn't matter since 36 humans have enough energy to vape the moon.

36 Normal Humans can't do shit. OK, show us 36 normal humans manipulating KI.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

But 36 humans on their own,without assistance of any Ki Users. NO.

But, they still have the energy, Technicalities won't change that.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

36 Normal Humans can't do shit unless someone will absorb them or use their KI.

But, they still have the energy

Originally posted by nij-ayias

It's opinion because it was not stated in manga or databooks.

But, the numbers are.

Originally posted by nij-ayias

36 Normal Humans can't do shit.

Except blow up the moon. 😆

What will happen if Thanos decides to teleport into space? Because Thanos is a villian that doesn't have any restrictions.

Originally posted by Classic NES
But, they still have the energy, Technicalities won't change that.

But, they still have the energy

Namek Arc, Gohan, Krilin and Piccolo have the energy but couldn't knocked down Freeza. But when combined, they did. Use that logic.

36 Normal Humans can't do shit. But if someone will absorb them, the same as Imperfect Cell absorbed people or Goku uses Genkidama, probably.

Originally posted by Classic NES

But, the numbers are.

Scans please, scans stating normal 36 humans can blow up the moon.

Originally posted by Classic NES

Except blow up the moon. 😆

Look, you said fused energy, now normal humans, you don't make any sense here.

Originally posted by dvampire
What will happen if Thanos decides to teleport into space? Because Thanos is a villian that doesn't have any restrictions.

Cosmic Characters are too overpower in space.

Then Thanos wins because it's his ability to win a fight. He's not weak, it only shows how superior he is to Goku. Do you think it's fair for Thanos to limit himself to Goku's standards just because he can't breath in space? And you don't want to post scans because you don't want to be proven wrong.

Originally posted by dvampire
Then Thanos wins because it's his ability to win a fight. He's not weak, it only shows how superior he is to Goku. Do you think it's fair for Thanos to limit himself to Goku's standards just because he can't breath in space? And you don't want to post scans because you don't want to be proven wrong.

Make the fight in Kaiohshin Kai or Kid Buu vs Thanos.
Thanos couldn't properly hit Capt America.

I'm tired to post scans because you'll just make an excuse.