Originally posted by Blight
Why do people always say "With No CIS" when CIS is on in forum situations?Also, you really think with an entire year of prep and Anti Monitor not knowing who Adam Warlock, or really anyone like Thanos, Doom etc. is that they couldn't possibly pull a win?
This.
I mean, Warlock + Doom + Thanos + Richards + 22 other guys and two abstract beings gives Warlock an incredibly good chance at winning this.
Are you also forgetting about Anti-Monitors army. His shadow demons were Pre-Crisis era bricks.
Concerning Blue Marvel And the Anti Wave, the day he can absorbs Anti-Matter, and a wave that lays waste to Universes then come talk to me. Also the Anti Wave was more than just a Universe ender, it didn't just destroyed everything, but also destroyed time literally.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Warlock, easily. Anti Monitor was only effective due to taking out universes prior to most of the heroes knowing. They dropped his ass and actually held back from killing him.
Genius, this is DOT Anti. Also the heroes couldn't squat shit against the Anti Matter verse wave.
Originally posted by Blight
Maybe because Antimonitor was stopped under much rougher conditions in the dc universe. These conditions are extremely lax comparatively, and Alex Luthor is no Doom and Reed.
lol! Alex has one of the most insane scientific feat ever. Bringing back the Multiverse and manipulating it on a whim. He literally embarrassed Lex Luthor in their meeting.
Originally posted by Brockalizer
Warlock Stipulations: No Infinity Gauntlet, or Omnipotent Artifacts, anything else is fair game. He, does have the Soul Gem though. He can recruit/enlist the help of anyone in the Marvelverse, but is limited to a maximum team size of 25, with only 2 Abstracts, Living Tribunal, Eternity and Infinity are off limits. Knows that in 1 year he will face a threat of universal proportions, but does not know from who or where until 1 week before it happens.Anti-Monitor Stipulations: He has absorbed the DC Universe, but is not omnipotent. He has a knowledge of the Marvelverse, but it's limited what was learned by DC occupants during the various crossovers. Has prepared a basic strategy, but due to Warlock being outside of the Marvelverse, is unaware of his existence.
Adam Warlock's plan.
Abstracts:
1. Death: She can and has granted immortality to individuals, Warlock's team will need this.
2. Oblivion: everything that's nullified goes to his realm. Death has been nullified in a non-canon future. Even Death some how is removed, she would enter his realm. Oblivion ensures all nullified can returned, including Death.
Team:
1. Thanos
2. Dr Doom
3. Hank Pym
4. Reed Richards
5. Kang The Conqueror
6. Cho
7. Dr Strange
8. Kubik
9. Shaper of Worlds
10. Odin
11. Mephisto
11. Dormammu
12. Aggamotto
13. Cyttorak
Artifacts
1. Ultimate Nullifier - Not sure if this is allowed but it might just kill AM. Could also be used to reset the MU.
2. Cosmic Cube for Warlock
3. Power Gem for Kubik
4. Mind Gem for Shaper
5. Reality Gem for Odin
6. Time Gem for Kang
7. Space Gem for Doom
8. Casket of Ancient Winters for Mephisto
9. Access to the Infinity Well for knowledge
Team would likely try and steal AM's powers once they realize how powerful his was seeing as the skyfather and Cosmic Cube beings are getting stomped by him. Thanos and Doom makes a play for stealing AM's power. Kang enters the past warn them of possible failures/annihilation, giving Warlock knowledge of the future.
Also AM's anti-matter wave wouldn't do anything to this team at all considering their immortal and Oblivion banning them from his realm. AM is powerful but how does he deal with Death or Oblivion getting a hold of the Power Gem? If Warlock decides to make that play, AM gets a terrible beating. Not sure if the UN is allowed but it could put him down as well. That's a last resort weapon.
Team can takes this. Prep makes a big difference here.
Originally posted by SquallX
Are you also forgetting about Anti-Monitors army. His shadow demons were Pre-Crisis era bricks.
Kubik turns them all into pudding.
Concerning Blue Marvel And the Anti Wave, the day he can absorbs Anti-Matter, and a wave that lays waste to Universes then come talk to me. Also the Anti Wave was more than just a Universe ender, it didn't just destroyed everything, but also destroyed time literally. [/B]
When people get nullified or killed the MU, they end up either in Oblivion or Death's realm. Doesn't happen here because both prevent them from entering their relam. Wave does nothing to this team at all.
Originally posted by SquallX
Ever heard of pis. Anti survived Spectre's creation blast, said blast restarted the DC Multiverse, at that time, the Dc Multiverse had no limit to how many Universes it had. The 52 Universes prior to the new 52 came after the Pre-Crisis era.This means that Anti survived a blast that restarted Pre-Crisis Dc's Infinite verse.
Also it wasn't only Luther's plan that stop Anti, Darseid's Omega Effect played. Big role. Then Pis/Cis did the rest.
Thankfully the thread starter said AM isn't omnipotent. Somewhere between surviving Spectre's blast and getting beaten by Alexander's team lies AM's true strength. IIRC, somebody pointed out that Spectre could've killed AM but decided not too. AM is not invincible to that point that Death and Oblivion with the Power Gem can't put this guy down. His lesser showing suggest the team can beat him by taking his power away.
AM could win this but Warlock could as well. IMO, Warlock takes him down with the amount of prep and a good team. Warlock has adverted universal/mulitversal disasters, even out playing the Magus' game. The only other that came close to beating Magus was Doom and Kang, who Warlock will likely recruit.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Also AM's anti-matter wave wouldn't do anything to this team at all considering their immortal and Oblivion banning them from his realm. AM is powerful but how does he deal with Death or Oblivion getting a hold of the Power Gem? If Warlock decides to make that play, AM gets a terrible beating. Not sure if the UN is allowed but it could put him down as well. That's a last resort weapon.
Doesn't Mephisto have immunity to anti-matter ?
(Doom used an anti-matter shell against him here) :
Originally posted by abhilegend
Considering this isn't MU so being nullified and sent to obilivion's realm is out of the way and the avatar of death thanos was reduced to a skeleton by an anti matter mine, I don't think being made immortal by Death is going to do anything here.
Where are you getting this idea that they aren't in the MU? Thanos still resurrected back. Guys like Kubik and Shaper make the attack irrelevant if they wanted too.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Where are you getting this idea that they aren't in the MU? Thanos still resurrected back. Guys like Kubik and Shaper make the attack irrelevant if they wanted too.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing👆
Adam Warlock's plan.Abstracts:
1. Death: She can and has granted immortality to individuals, Warlock's team will need this.
2. Oblivion: everything that's nullified goes to his realm. Death has been nullified in a non-canon future. Even Death some how is removed, she would enter his realm. Oblivion ensures all nullified can returned, including Death.Team:
1. Thanos
2. Dr Doom
3. Hank Pym
4. Reed Richards
5. Kang The Conqueror
6. Cho
7. Dr Strange
8. Kubik
9. Shaper of Worlds
10. Odin
11. Mephisto
11. Dormammu
12. Aggamotto
13. CyttorakArtifacts
1. Ultimate Nullifier - Not sure if this is allowed but it might just kill AM. Could also be used to reset the MU.
2. Cosmic Cube for Warlock
3. Power Gem for Kubik
4. Mind Gem for Shaper
5. Reality Gem for Odin
6. Time Gem for Kang
7. Space Gem for Doom
8. Casket of Ancient Winters for Mephisto
9. Access to the Infinity Well for knowledgeTeam would likely try and steal AM's powers once they realize how powerful his was seeing as the skyfather and Cosmic Cube beings are getting stomped by him. Thanos and Doom makes a play for stealing AM's power. Kang enters the past warn them of possible failures/annihilation, giving Warlock knowledge of the future.
Also AM's anti-matter wave wouldn't do anything to this team at all considering their immortal and Oblivion banning them from his realm. AM is powerful but how does he deal with Death or Oblivion getting a hold of the Power Gem? If Warlock decides to make that play, AM gets a terrible beating. Not sure if the UN is allowed but it could put him down as well. That's a last resort weapon.
Team can takes this. Prep makes a big difference here.
Kubik turns them all into pudding.
When people get nullified or killed the MU, they end up either in Oblivion or Death's realm. Doesn't happen here because both prevent them from entering their relam. Wave does nothing to this team at all.
Thankfully the thread starter said AM isn't omnipotent. Somewhere between surviving Spectre's blast and getting beaten by Alexander's team lies AM's true strength. IIRC, somebody pointed out that Spectre could've killed AM but decided not too. AM is not invincible to that point that Death and Oblivion with the Power Gem can't put this guy down. His lesser showing suggest the team can beat him by taking his power away.
AM could win this but Warlock could as well. IMO, Warlock takes him down with the amount of prep and a good team. Warlock has adverted universal/mulitversal disasters, even out playing the Magus' game. The only other that came close to beating Magus was Doom and Kang, who Warlock will likely recruit.
Originally posted by SquallXYes, because he was weak. Marvel u destroys him even worse.
You're stupidity knows no limit.There were specific reason why Anti lost.
Originally posted by abhilegendIt's specified. 😂
Unless specified the fights happen in a neutral universe. He was down long enough for a forum win. They can make an attack which consumed nearly INFINITE universeS irrelevant?
You just really want the dc guy to win. It's obvious.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Unless specified the fights happen in a neutral universe.
Read the first post.
He was down long enough for a forum win. They can make an attack which consumed nearly INFINITE universeS irrelevant?
Except this isn't a forum fight, it's a scenerio fight. The question is whether Warlock can stop AM, not whether Warlock and team can beat AM long enough for a tap out. If that's the case, the team has an even better chance to win since Death and Oblivion start the beat down on AM to knock him out for the 3 count. Prep and the element of surprise is on their side.
Thanos was immortal but not invulnerable - true. But that doesn't mean she can't make him invulnerable. She's the one that upgraded his classic body beyond his previous. Anti-matter isn't harming them if she doesn't want it too. Your talking about Death here.
It wiped out universes of matter, she's beyond matter. She's an abstract the can banned souls from her realm. Devastate a universe of elder gods with a touch. She's the opposite of life, Eternity. Oblivion is the void of space. Destroying space/time only makes Oblivion's domain bigger and supply Death with more power. How does AM win again? He kills the heroes, only to power up the Abstracts who resurrect their champions to attack him again.
