You know what? I don't care if he is a sock/troll. I can't just stand by and watch him write all his bullshit. So,
Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Qui-Gon is at the very least second most powerful Jedi from the movies and was judged worthy to join the ones on mortis as a force ghost and become one of their family. Obviously i can't use his power as a one as he was no longer jedi then but to be judged worthy in first place tells you how powerful he was.
Evidence, mate. You need it. Desperately. It is never stated Qui-Gon is the second most powerful Jedi from the movies, and there are at least three Jedi more powerful: Anakin, Yoda, and Mace. At least. He was never judged worthy to join the Ones and even if he was, there is no way you could possibly know it was because he had become powerful. On the other hand, he was a goddamn Force ghost. That doesn't even count.
Out of thousands of years, Tulak Hord, Ajunta Pall, Marka Ragnos and Naga Sadow were judged as being the very greatest and most powerful of the sith. THis is confirmed by Traya and the academy you come across in kotor 1 on korriban. Tulak Hord would have made the jedis of the exiles time look like kids playing with toys in combat, and ajunta pall was one of the greatest alchemists ever, and even as a force ghost almost kills you in kotor 1.
Kreia is not omniscient. She is a character in the game, and character's opinions do not count as canon in any way. You need to get your facts straight. Secondly, Ajunta Pall almost kills you in KOTOR 1? As somebody has said before, you really need to learn what 'game mechanics' means. You only keep making a fool out of yourself by taking them into consideration for your arguments.
And marka ragnos and naga sadow were greatest of the sith even during time of vitiate, which should tell you of theur power.
When Marka Ragnos was the ruler of the Sith Empire, Vitiate was not nearly as powerful as he 3as during his reign as Sith Emperor, so your point is moot. He gained power throughout the years and if you recall, chose to stay out the way during Marka Ragnos' reign, not even participating in the war against the Jedi and the Republic and not even interested in fighting for the throne when Ragnos fell. Your argument is baseless.
Atris is one of few to master both the lightside and the darkside, challenged and survived fight with Nihilus in her youth, channels the power of Taris and is declared the second Darth Traya. She is both following the footsetps of Kreia and acts as a rival to Nihilus. When you fight Atris she can destory droids with a gesture and use high level pwoers like force wave and force storm which as we know from later material gives her access to wormholes.
Falling to the dark side does not = 'mastering both the lightside and the dark side'. And no, he did not challenge and survived a fight with Darth Nihilus. It is never stated, not by a single source. And again, game mechanics. Learn what it means.
]if you have played it then why have you forgotten mosyt of the tsuff that happens in it.Also replay kotor 2 with cut content please. I will have you at disadvantage until you do. I really will.
Cut-content is not canon. Understand this.
TSA isnlt even that powerful, he is like a slightly better version of Darth Maul who doesn;t even make te list.
Marek destroys Maul, forcewise. And he destroys Vader. He is powerful.
Where else have you seen someone born without the eyes of a miralaka make such a foresight? This is perhaps greatest feat of all time of tht nature.
This has absolutely nothing to do with power. How can this help in a battle against any opponent? Being able to foresee something does not make her all-powerful by any means, and not in any way.
Vader isn;t even a tenth as powerful as sidious after obi-wan killed him, where you get 4/5ths from?
Darth Vader after ROTS is stated to have 80% the power Sidious has. That is a lot considering that even by ROTS Sidious is considered to be one of the most powerful Sith ever.
Darth Vader after ROTS is stated to have 80% the power Sidious has. That is a lot considering that even by ROTS Sidious is considered to be one of the most powerful Sith ever.
Sidious by RotS is really not very powerful. None of the Jedis in the movie are. The only reason Yoda, Qui-Gon and Ovi-Wan make the list is because Jedis ar emuch weaker than the Siths. Being 80% of him sound sabout right, at RotS. But afterwards Anakin onlky gets weaker and Sidious only stronger. ROTJ Vader isn;t a tenth of DE Sidioius.
This has absolutely nothing to do with power. How can this help in a battle against any opponent? Being able to foresee something does not make her all-powerful by any means, and not in any way.
She will be able to predict what opponent does and counter it before he does it. Traya will be ebtter at this than any other Jedi in the entire history of the Star Wars.
Marek destroys Maul, forcewise. And he destroys Vader. He is powerful.
Maul is underrated force wise. He uses it as defence more than offence, but when it comes to defence its among the best. He devoted all of his force training to his force shield, has incredible potential and is completely immune to force lightning. Maul probably destroys Marek in a lightsaber duel too. He possibly wins all out bro.
No disagreements on second point.
He is powerful around the movie eras but he is not in league of nihilus or abeloth etc...
Cut-content is not canon. Understand this.
It is included on the disc, should have been in game but mechanics forgot to program it in, is endorsed by bioware and lucasarts and they even provided voice logs for extra dialogue to modding group. It is canon.
Falling to the dark side does not = 'mastering both the lightside and the dark side'.
No. Mastering both the light and dark means masteirng both the light and dark. Atris is premier historian after traya and she spent all her time talking to ancient holocrons. She uses advanced powers like force storm in fight against exile.
And no, he did not challenge and survived a fight with Darth Nihilus. It is never stated, not by a single source. And again, game mechanics. Learn what it means.
You're right, "he" didn;t. "She" did. Play Kotor 2 with cut content reinstalled please.
When Marka Ragnos was the ruler of the Sith Empire, Vitiate was not nearly as powerful as he 3as during his reign as Sith Emperor, so your point is moot. He gained power throughout the years and if you recall, chose to stay out the way during Marka Ragnos' reign, not even participating in the war against the Jedi and the Republic and not even interested in fighting for the throne when Ragnos fell. Your argument is baseless.
A;ready asked and aswered next question please.
Kreia is not omniscient. She is a character in the game, and character's opinions do not count as canon in any way. You need to get your facts straight. Secondly, Ajunta Pall almost kills you in KOTOR 1? As somebody has said before, you really need to learn what 'game mechanics' means. You only keep making a fool out of yourself by taking them into consideration for your arguments.
She is closest person there is being premier historian and premier seer in entire saga. If she says it, chances are its right. Plus it is no coincidence it was those 4 tombs that were placed directly in the valley of the jedi. They were the 4 greatest siths of their times, which was thousands of years.
Evidence, mate. You need it. Desperately. It is never stated Qui-Gon is the second most powerful Jedi from the movies, and there are at least three Jedi more powerful: Anakin, Yoda, and Mace. At least. He was never judged worthy to join the Ones and even if he was, there is no way you could possibly know it was because he had become powerful. On the other hand, he was a goddamn Force ghost. That doesn't even count.
Watch Clone WaRS CARTTOON please.
And Qui-Gon was the wisest Jedi in the movies easily, and wisdom usually translates into force power. He udnerstood the force better than anyone else, received advanced training, and was much bigger character than mace windu who was at best supporting character during prequels whereas quigon was main character during episode 1. And as said he regularly challenged anoon bondara and mace windu in lightsaber combat,m two lightsaber specialists when he was just a consular. Only other person like that is Yoda.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
He's a sock-troll. Good job, guys.
You know, there was only one time I was acting like a sock/troll:
A;ready asked and aswered next question please.
I would like to take this back Valerian I will concede the point it is true that the Vitiate from those times wasn;t at his peak.
Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Sidious by RotS is really not very powerful. None of the Jedis in the movie are. The only reason Yoda, Qui-Gon and Ovi-Wan make the list is because Jedis ar emuch weaker than the Siths. Being 80% of him sound sabout right, at RotS. But afterwards Anakin onlky gets weaker and Sidious only stronger. ROTJ Vader isn;t a tenth of DE Sidioius.She will be able to predict what opponent does and counter it before he does it. Traya will be ebtter at this than any other Jedi in the entire history of the Star Wars.
Maul is underrated force wise. He uses it as defence more than offence, but when it comes to defence its among the best. He devoted all of his force training to his force shield, has incredible potential and is completely immune to force lightning. Maul probably destroys Marek in a lightsaber duel too. He possibly wins all out bro.
No disagreements on second point.
He is powerful around the movie eras but he is not in league of nihilus or abeloth etc...
It is included on the disc, should have been in game but mechanics forgot to program it in, is endorsed by bioware and lucasarts and they even provided voice logs for extra dialogue to modding group. It is canon.
No. Mastering both the light and dark means masteirng both the light and dark. Atris is premier historian after traya and she spent all her time talking to ancient holocrons. She uses advanced powers like force storm in fight against exile.
You're right, "he" didn;t. "She" did. Play Kotor 2 with cut content reinstalled please.
A;ready asked and aswered next question please.
She is closest person there is being premier historian and premier seer in entire saga. If she says it, chances are its right. Plus it is no coincidence it was those 4 tombs that were placed directly in the valley of the jedi. They were the 4 greatest siths of their times, which was thousands of years.
Watch Clone WaRS CARTTOON please.
And Qui-Gon was the wisest Jedi in the movies easily, and wisdom usually translates into force power. He udnerstood the force better than anyone else, received advanced training, and was much bigger character than mace windu who was at best supporting character during prequels whereas quigon was main character during episode 1. And as said he regularly challenged anoon bondara and mace windu in lightsaber combat,m two lightsaber specialists when he was just a consular. Only other person like that is Yoda.
Originally posted by Darth Ray Park
Sidious by RotS is really not very powerful. None of the Jedis in the movie are. The only reason Yoda, Qui-Gon and Ovi-Wan make the list is because Jedis ar emuch weaker than the Siths. Being 80% of him sound sabout right, at RotS. But afterwards Anakin onlky gets weaker and Sidious only stronger. ROTJ Vader isn;t a tenth of DE Sidioius.
ROTS Sidious is really that powerful. Few Sith before him would be able to take on Sidious and defeat him. Only the likes of Vitiate, Nihilus, and such. And please, don't go on to say Marka Ragnos. We can only speculate their power, no sources have actually stated how powerful they truly are; they are virtually uknown. It doesn't matter what you think, Kreia is not omniscient and her opinion isn't canon. Deal with it. And yes, he is 80%, in his Darth Vader machine-like form, post-ROTS. It is stated.
She will be able to predict what opponent does and counter it before he does it. Traya will be ebtter at this than any other Jedi in the entire history of the Star Wars.
No, she won't. Being able to sense the future in the way that she does, which is purely by having Force visions, has nothing to do with combat. Predicting your enemies' moves is a completely different thing.
Maul is underrated force wise. He uses it as defence more than offence, but when it comes to defence its among the best. He devoted all of his force training to his force shield, has incredible potential and is completely immune to force lightning.
No, he's not underrated, he sucks. Maul doesn't have a single significant Force feat, and he never demonstrates in any way that he is competent in that area. And, immune to force lightning? No, he's not.
Maul probably destroys Marek in a lightsaber duel too. He possibly wins all out bro.
In a lightsaber duel, he probably does defeat him. All-out, no. Starkiller's command of the Force is infinitely superior to Maul's.
It is included on the disc, should have been in game but mechanics forgot to program it in, is endorsed by bioware and lucasarts and they even provided voice logs for extra dialogue to modding group. It is canon.
Is it somewhere stated that this cut-content is canon? If not, and since it doesn't appear in the original game, it can't be considered canon.
No. Mastering both the light and dark means masteirng both the light and dark. Atris is premier historian after traya and she spent all her time talking to ancient holocrons. She uses advanced powers like force storm in fight against exile.
Not anywhere is it stated that Atris mastered both light and dark side. Not even hinted. Being a 'premier historian' and gaining knowledge from ancient holocrons does not instantly make you a master of both sides. Once again, game mechanics. Not canon.
You're right, "he" didn;t. "She" did. Play Kotor 2 with cut content reinstalled please.
My mistake there. Read what I said above about cut-content. And even if she did fight Nihilus, that still doesn't make her all-powerful. Why? Nihilus clearly didn't drain her, and if it wasn't for Nihilus' drain, he wouldn't be half as powerful. Battling Nihilus in a lightsaber duel means nothing. Nihilus isn't known for being the best duelist; as far as we know his lightsaber skills are not great.
A;ready asked and aswered next question please.
You didn't even properly address it and just went on ignoring everything we have said.
She is closest person there is being premier historian and premier seer in entire saga. If she says it, chances are its right. Plus it is no coincidence it was those 4 tombs that were placed directly in the valley of the jedi. They were the 4 greatest siths of their times, which was thousands of years.
Already addressed above.
Watch Clone WaRS CARTTOON please.And Qui-Gon was the wisest Jedi in the movies easily, and wisdom usually translates into force power.
Wisdom does not translate into force power... You're just making things up. When is this stated? Never.
He udnerstood the force better than anyone else, received advanced training, and was much bigger character than mace windu who was at best supporting character during prequels whereas quigon was main character during episode 1. And as said he regularly challenged anoon bondara and mace windu in lightsaber combat,m two lightsaber specialists when he was just a consular. Only other person like that is Yoda.
Mace Windu is stated to be Qui-Gon's equal in TPM. After that, Mace Windu did become more powerful, and Qui-Gon was dead. And what does being a 'much bigger character' (which he arguably wasn't) has to do with anything? And again, it is never stated he 'understood the Force better than anyone else'. Stop making stuff up.
It's worth pointing out that the loading screens in Kotor 2 do state that during their stay on Malachor, each of the Truimvirate did study in depth a particular esoteric aspect of the Force. Sion studied his immortality technique, Nihilus studied his Giga-Drain and Traya studied her powers of clairvoyence. Those are their 'signature techniques' if you will.