(Revenge of the Sith) Darth Sidious -vs- Darth Bane (Dynasty of Evil)

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UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Wow.

Deronn_solo King Yami

Edward would shit on Sidious.

NewGuy01 perpetual

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Makes you wonder how powerful Ventress must be then, considering she had Fisto on the floor in almost as much time as Sidious.

Perhaps maybe it should be her fighting Bane.

Exactly. 🙂

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Oh my god... He's actually serious.

How are you gonna compare their speed feats? I am curious of course.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by Emperordmb
This is the guy that thinks Sion can pose a legit challenge to Sidious.

Never said in skills or Force strength. Just that Sion's tricky pony is his immortality.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
How are you gonna compare their speed feats? I am curious of course.

Sidious moves faster then beings who share equivalent speed to Obi Wan can react.

Obi Wan at the very least blocked and dodged hundreds of blaster bolts in RotS.

Blast bolts are hypersonic.

Bane gets sh!t on.

NewGuy01 perpetual

Apparently Leia was able to deflect some four-thousand-whatnot blaster bolts in a second, and that b*tch couldn't even see Palps. ✅

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Really?

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Apparently Leia was able to deflect some four-thousand-whatnot blaster bolts in a second, and that b*tch couldn't even see Palps. ✅

And she was on a dark side nexus(the Eclipse) which hindered her Force connections. And she wasn't moving; she was standing still.
The blaster bolts aren't like people. They don't deviate from their direction; they're going straight(don't forget about Force precognition).
But people, if they're also agile, can move their bodies and perform acrobatics, which would make them more difficult to see in the eyes of other people.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Sidious moves faster then beings who share equivalent speed to Obi Wan can react.

Obi Wan at the very least blocked and dodged hundreds of blaster bolts in RotS.

Blast bolts are hypersonic.

Bane gets sh!t on.


What Jedi or Sith didn't deflect blaster bolts coming from numerous soldiers or droids?
You associate Ben to Anakin--who went in Palpatine's office and saw both as blurs, because he was standing still?

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Sorry can you elaborate on that?

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Sorry can you elaborate on that?

Elaborate what?
The fact that you associate a blaster bolt's speed with a human's/alien's speed? A blaster bolt that doesn't deviate from its course and is easily deflected by a Jedi or a Sith(given their Force precognition)
Or that reacting to blaster bolts is somewhat similar reacting to a character's speed?
That's what I don't get.
Both are incomparable.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

You understand the difference between moving your blade in place to block a single projectiles known trajectory and blocking hundreds of projectiles moving at hypersonic speed, correct? The difference is that you have to be moving at at least those levels to react in time.

MythLord Diamond

✅ 👆

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
You understand the difference between moving your blade in place to block a single projectiles known trajectory and blocking hundreds of projectiles moving at hypersonic speed, correct? The difference is that you have to be moving at at least those levels to react in time.

Yes. And what known Sith Lord or Jedi didn't do that? It's something natural in the Expanded Universe.

The blaster bolts(have a certain speed) but they're not changing their direction, thus they are not flexible. And Jedi do have Force precognition(which allows them to sense the danger before happening and give them time to react)

It's no wonder why Jedi manage to deflect blaster bolts. It's not because they're fast(alone) but also because their Force precognition allows them to react and time their actions.
You get it?
They don't react because they're 'fast'; they're 'fast' because they react in time and know precisely where to guide their lightsabre/other weapon to deflect the blaster bolts.
And as far as I know; Force deflection can also be performed bu using your hands.
Also, I found this:
"You can use the Force to speed up, both physically and mentally, allowing you more time to make decisions."
Kyle Katarn

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Obi Wanwas noted to have either dodged them or blocked them with his saber.

And you don't seem to be understanding the point. There were hundreds of bolts coming at him some fired SIMULTANEOUSLY and others around the same time. He needs to block these hypersonic bolts that would not all be coming at him from the same direction or the same place and after they were fired at him.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova
Obi Wanwas noted to have either dodged them or blocked them with his saber.

And you don't seem to be understanding the point. There were hundreds of bolts coming at him some fired SIMULTANEOUSLY and others around the same time. He needs to block these hypersonic bolts that would not all be coming at him from the same direction or the same place and after they were fired at him.


That's what Force speed and Force precognition are for. I never implied that they have to come from one direction.
I never said that they don't possess superhuman speed(Jedi or Sith) I simply tried to tell that Force precognition in combination with Force speed allows them to do the trick.
Look at Ulic Qel-Droma and Exar Kun:
Ulic was able to deflect blaster bolts and create multiple after-images on Onderon(at that time a dark side nexus) which was sapping his Force strength[so off a dark side nexus: Ulic has a greater speed based on logic]). And he was able to match Exar Kun's speed again on Cinnagar(which could have been a dark side nexus which was sapping Ulic again)
Then in Ulic's Trial scene on Coruscant(non-dark side nexus): Exar Kun appears as a blur to everyone in the Senate(Ulic Qel-Droma included--who is able to create after-images being sapped on a dark side nexus)
Proof: that it's not the same thing when it comes about a laser bolt's speed and a character's speed.
And keep in mind that everyone who was perceiving Kun as a blur(were standing by doing pretty much nothing else) except Vodo Siosk-Baas who could react because he DID something, but lost due to Exar besting him.

And are you telling me that Obi-Wan was standing still when he did that and that he was never jumping or performing acrobatics to avoid the laser shots? You mean that he was standing still like a rock and that he deflected EVERY blaster bolt(even if there were some which totally missed him and he managed to avoid them without Force deflecting them?)

Do you refer at the Obi-Wan versus Grievous scene/s with droids on Utapau? The scene when they save the Chancellor(and before)?
What scene?
Can you bring a scan?

And one question:
Why are we talking about Obi-Wan in this?

SunRazer Back From The Dead

There doesn't need to be any argument over Obi-Wan's blaster deflecting feat. Anakin can see sub-light speed ships in slow motion, yet he can't see Sidious.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
There doesn't need to be any argument over Obi-Wan's blaster deflecting feat. Anakin can see sub-light speed ships in slow motion, yet he can't see Sidious.

Because he wasn't engaging Sidious, neither Windu with Force speed power. He was simply standing by.
And excuse my bad?
But is that G-canon or C-canon about Anakin's sub-light speed feat?

SunRazer Back From The Dead
Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
Because he wasn't engaging Sidious, neither Windu with Force speed power. He was simply standing by.
And excuse my bad?
But is that G-canon or C-canon about Anakin's sub-light speed feat?

He might not have been engaged in combat, but he would've surely been trying to follow the combat given his proximity at that point. Besides, I'm not talking about whether Anakin can physically react or not (he can), I'm just talking about his sight.

We're discussing Legends. I'm using Legends material, not Canon. The Obi-Wan feat is also Legends. Legends also has Sidious blitzing Maul (Shadow Conspiracy), and Legends Maul is insanely fast as well.