(Revenge of the Sith) Darth Sidious -vs- Darth Bane (Dynasty of Evil) · Star Wars Versus Forum

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
He might not have been engaged in combat, but he would've surely been trying to follow the combat given his proximity at that point. Besides, I'm not talking about whether Anakin can physically react or not (he can), I'm just talking about his sight.
We're discussing Legends. I'm using Legends material, not Canon. The Obi-Wan feat is also Legends. Legends also has Sidious blitzing Maul (Shadow Conspiracy), and Legends Maul is insanely fast as well.

1. And sure that all in TOTJ were trying to follow Exar Kun's speed and the Brotherhood of Darknees when Bane was performing that rain dodging speed feat.
2. Legends is not, literally, a "universe". Legends means "non-canon". It's a loose-term for non-canonity.
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SunRazer Back From The Dead

1. That made no sense.

2. Legends is the continuity where everything that didn't make it into canon resides. That includes TotJ, the Bane trilogy, etc.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. That made no sense.
2. Legends is the continuity where everything that didn't make it into canon resides. That includes TotJ, the Bane trilogy, etc.

1. Yes, it makes sense. Anakin wasn't using Force speed in the Chancellor's office to see both. Force speed is what helps someone to perceive other Force-sensitives. And you forget that Anakin is stronger in the Force than Darth Sidious. And he wasn't able to see neither Sidious nor Windu. That's a fact. Period.
So, I wonder why wouldn't Darth Bane be able to compete with Darth Sidious' Force speed feat given that Bane deflected raindrops from a storm with his lightsaber for a full ten minutes-also dodging and twisting to avoid the few drops that bypass his lightsaber? Or when Bane also appeared as a blur to other Force-sensitives in his battle against Sirak. And it took them a moment(it's debateable what the writer meant) to understand what happened. At least Anakin saw Windu and Sidious a little bit. But the other ones didn't even see Bane at all.
2. Legends=non-canon
Even Infinities are under the "Legends" banner.
Just because all of the materials are stated Legends(non-canon) which are not having any Disney canon relations; that doesn't put all the materials in the same universe. They are all simply non-canon to Disney canon.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

1. Not what you said before, and he was using Speed to see them if he was deliberately trying to track their movements.

2. I'm referring to the old Expanded Universe, not Infinities, obviously.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Not what you said before, and he was using Speed to see them if he was deliberately trying to track their movements.
2. I'm referring to the old Expanded Universe, not Infinities, obviously.

1. Force speed is a 'run-power'. It is active when the said-so Force-user is engaging their enemy and when they aren't attacked nor ambushed before focusing on that ability to use it(like Sidious when he Force-dominated both Maul and Savage Opress) That's why Vodo could react to Kun(who was a blur to anyone around there, even to Ulic) or when Ulic reacted to Kun on Cinnagar. Despite the fact that Kun appeared as a blur to Ulic on Coruscant.
Short version: Force speed is active when someone fights their enemy or "Run. Barry. Run."
You can't use it standing still and do nothing. Also Force speed is known to drain Force-users of their energy and increase their metabolism. So, I doubt that Anakin used Force speed in the first place. And he didn't. As the aforementioned explanations point out.
2. Man, follow me:
Legends=non-canon(not a universe)
Even Infinites are under the Legends banner.
Legends is not the EU(literally) Legends is just a loose-term for "non-canon".
As I said before: just because they are all Legends; that doesn't make them be in the same continuity

SunRazer Back From The Dead

1. Force Speed is more than just movement - it's also reactionary and perceptional. Regardless of whether or not he was using Speed to run, the fact of the matter is that he can see sub-light speed ships in slow motion, yet he couldn't see Sidious properly.

2. It doesn't matter whether Infinities is Legends or not. What I'm referring to was material in the same continuity as TotJ and the Bane trilogy, which is why you're wasting your time telling me irrelevant information.

I don't care what else is Legends. I only care that the RotS novelization and other old EU works belong in the same continuity as the Darth Bane Trilogy, Tales of the Jedi, KotOR, etc.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. Force Speed is more than just movement - it's also reactionary and perceptional. Regardless of whether or not he was using Speed to run, the fact of the matter is that he can see sub-light speed ships in slow motion, yet he couldn't see Sidious properly.
2. It doesn't matter whether Infinities is Legends or not. What I'm referring to was material in the same continuity as TotJ and the Bane trilogy, which is why you're wasting your time telling me irrelevant information.
I don't care what else is Legends. I only care that the RotS novelization and other old EU works belong in the same continuity as the Darth Bane Trilogy, Tales of the Jedi, KotOR, etc.

1. Yes. Force speed is reactionary and perceptional. But it is activated/used only when a Force-user runs or engages an enemy.
You know the various names of Force speed: Burst of speed,
Burst run, Force run, Force sprint, Heightened speed, Force dash
Force quickness, etc
They are all related to one when engages an enemy or runs. And as I said recently. Anakin is stronger in the Force than Darth Sidious(and couldn't see him) because he wasn't using the Force speed ability. Bane was stronger in the Force than Sirak; and yet (Sirak)he could react(because he was engaging Bane into a battle) Vodo was weaker in the Force than Exar Kun, but he could react because he was using the Force speed. The same for Ulic Qel-Droma when he confronted Kun on Cinnagar.
Anakin can react to sub-light speeds because he's using Speed Force and Force precognition.

2. Actually, the movie novels are a part of the G-canon, not the EU. Now, they're not-canon(Legends), but not in the continuity of the EU.
As I said, EU is Legends, but Legends is not EU.

Deronn_solo King Yami

Anakin never saw a sub-light in slow motion, lmao.

Even if he did, it wouldn't be all that fantastic, given he was in a ship moving at sub-light speeds too.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Sorry DC but for the first time Nadd is right.

The novel has Obi wan and Anakin perceiving sub light fighters as dots of light long enough to hold a conversation on how hey should handle them and this is WHILE they're moving torwards them. The relatives perception argument only works if you're moving alongside those fighters. Moving TORWARDS them would only make them harder to perceive.

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Deronn_solo King Yami

Originally posted by UCanShootMyNova Sorry DC but for the first time Nadd is right.
The novel has Obi wan and Anakin perceiving sub light fighters as dots of light long enough to hold a conversation on how hey should handle them and this is WHILE they're moving torwards them.

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The relatives perception argument only works if you're moving alongside those fighters. Moving TORWARDS them would only make them harder to perceive. [/B]

Umm, I'm pretty sure relative perception takes effect whether you're on side a moving object, or [i]moving towards an object. The closer you approach the speed of light, the more time warped time intervals, and length becomes. You know, Special Theory of Relativity and all that.

Not saying it's not impressive, but them being in a ship makes it much less impressive than it would be if they weren't in one.

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

When I get back to my comp sure.

Pretty sure you just spouted a bunch of jargon for the purpose of diverting my attention with that second response.

Mind pointing me to the particulars of what you're talking about there though? Specifically the affects of lightspeed on perception since two cars movingly torwards each other are going to be harder to perceive then one moving torwards you when you're standing still.

SunRazer Back From The Dead

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1. Yes. Force speed is reactionary and perceptional. But it is activated/used only when a Force-user runs or engages an enemy.
You know the various names of Force speed: Burst of speed,
Burst run, Force run, Force sprint, Heightened speed, Force dash
Force quickness, etc
They are all related to one when engages an enemy or runs. And as I said recently. Anakin is stronger in the Force than Darth Sidious(and couldn't see him) because he wasn't using the Force speed ability. Bane was stronger in the Force than Sirak; and yet (Sirak)he could react(because he was engaging Bane into a battle) Vodo was weaker in the Force than Exar Kun, but he could react because he was using the Force speed. The same for Ulic Qel-Droma when he confronted Kun on Cinnagar.
Anakin can react to sub-light speeds because he's using Speed Force and Force precognition.

Nowhere did I say anything about Anakin reacting to sub-light speeds. I said he saw them in slow motion, just as he couldn't see Sidious.

2. Actually, the movie novels are a part of the G-canon, not the EU. Now, they're not-canon(Legends), but not in the continuity of the EU.
As I said, EU is Legends, but Legends is not EU.

G-Canon doesn't exist anymore. The movie novels aren't canon - they're part of the old EU.

Rockydonovang freedom fighter

sidious got stomped by windu, bane would ragdoll windu, bane ragdolls sidious

UCanShootMyNova Senior Member

Here's the quote DC.

""Ah." Obi-Wan took a hand from the starfighter's control yoke to direct his upsidedown
friend's attention forward. Dead ahead, a blue-white point of light splintered into four
laser-straight trails of ion drives. "And what does experience tell you we should do about
those incoming tri-fighters?"
"That we should break—right!" - Revenge of the Sith.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
Nowhere did I say anything about Anakin reacting to sub-light speeds. I said he saw them in slow motion, just as he couldn't see Sidious.
G-Canon doesn't exist anymore. The movie novels aren't canon - they're part of the old EU.

1. So he didn't see the ships and neither Sidious?
Nevermind.
But that's what Force speed does. It increases your reflexes, your muscles, and makes everything around you to appear as it would move in slow motion. In one of the Katarn games this happens too. Everything is in 'slow motion' and you're moving 'naturally'.
2. I am pretty sure that the movie novels are/were a part of the Lucas canon because the writer limits himself only to 1000 years(Darth Bane reference) It is/was a book of the Lucas canon. Why would Lucas place them in the EU(if he said that he doesn't know EU) if these books were made according to his vision and respect his canon?

SunRazer Back From The Dead

1. What are you talking about? I said he saw the ships in slow-motion, but couldn't see Sidious.

2. They're not canon. That's already been stated by Del Rey. Lucas doesn't have control over what's canon or not. He sold the rights before the Canon/Legends split happened.

Freedon Nadd Senior Member

Originally posted by SunRazer
1. What are you talking about? I said he saw the ships in slow-motion, but couldn't see Sidious.
2. They're not canon. That's already been stated by Del Rey. Lucas doesn't have control over what's canon or not. He sold the rights before the Canon/Legends split happened.

1. Yes. Because he was using Force speed.
2. So Del Rey owned the movie novels' copyrights before Lucas sold the franchise and Lucas agreed with that?
Not that would matter anyway to this duel.

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SunRazer Back From The Dead

Originally posted by Freedon Nadd
1. Yes. Because he was using Force speed.
2. So Del Rey owned the movie novels' copyrights before Lucas sold the franchise and Lucas agreed with that?
Not that would matter anyway to this duel.

1. And he still couldn't see Palpatine.

2. What? They own the rights to the canon novels. They differentiate between what's canon and what isn't. Stop making this complicated.