Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Mjolnir envy, eh? I don't see why people get so butthurt about Thor and start shouting "well, without his hammer he wouldn't be as formidable!!111".
I've noticed that too. The hammer is PART OF THOR. He's tied to it. It's like saying, Sentry vs Hal Jordan with no ring, Hulk vs Silver Surfer with no power cosmic, Martian Manhunter vs Superman with no yellow sun, Captain America vs Iron Man with no Armor....etc. What's the point?
Basically, the "point" is just to attempt to downplay Thor by attributing most of his best feats as being used with Mjolnir...which no one is denying to begin with. 😐
Disarming Mjolnir is a tried and true debating tactic when arguing against him, but really, in a forum fight devoid of plot device 60 second weaknesses or PIS, not many people are going to be able to disarm him long enough to take advantage.
I think it's safe to assume that if Silver actually wanted to he could squash Thor like a bug. In all their encounters Surfer has always told Thor to stop. Like warned him, Surfer isn't the kind of hero that kills or does so willingly. But in a scenario were he is bloodlusted I think he'd defeat Thor easily.
As for the avengers, well that I think depends on who is in it. He definetely takes out the Hulk, Iron man, Captain america etc. But I'm not so sure about the others. They could overwhelm him or maybe trap him somehow.
Originally posted by Mumrik
I think it's safe to assume that if Silver actually wanted to he could squash Thor like a bug. In all their encounters Surfer has always told Thor to stop. Like warned him, Surfer isn't the kind of hero that kills or does so willingly. But in a scenario were he is bloodlusted I think he'd defeat Thor easily.As for the avengers, well that I think depends on who is in it. He definetely takes out the Hulk, Iron man, Captain america etc. But I'm not so sure about the others. They could overwhelm him or maybe trap him somehow.
Surfer tells Thor to stop because he's getting his ass kicked. This pacifist excuse is really old. Surfer, for not wanting to spill blood, can still defend himself and stop beings without grievously harming them if he's able to. He's still a high herald with absurd power. Trying to spin every time he looked inferior to Thor is ridiculous.
Surfer can't even beat the Classic Avengers line-up, let alone all of them. I mean, shit, Thor + virtually anyone would beat Surfer.
All of these posts of your beg the question which comics are you basing this Surfer squashes Thor like a bug fantasy scenario from, let alone make a thread where, in your mind, Surfer stands a decent chance against all of Earth's Mightiest Heroes at once?
Originally posted by Mumrik
I think it's safe to assume that if Silver actually wanted to he could squash Thor like a bug. In all their encounters Surfer has always told Thor to stop. Like warned him, Surfer isn't the kind of hero that kills or does so willingly. But in a scenario were he is bloodlusted I think he'd defeat Thor easily.As for the avengers, well that I think depends on who is in it. He definetely takes out the Hulk, Iron man, Captain america etc. But I'm not so sure about the others. They could overwhelm him or maybe trap him somehow.
You obviously have a lot to learn about comics if you think he could beat Thor easily. An amped Surfer fought a holding back Thor (and SS admitted Thor held back) and Thor beat him. Thor's beaten the Surfer when the Surfer had help. Recently, he dented in the Surfer's head, and pretty much stalemated him while he was injured before the fight. I could be wrong, but to my knowledge, SS has never beaten Thor, nor had any advantage over him for any extended length of time in a fight.
The Surfer has one of the worst glass jaws in comics. He is horrible at taking physical punishment, and things like laser even really F him up. Thor's energy manipulation is just about as good at the Surfers. His hammer can move close to his speed. Thor has many trans level feats, and Thor's fought and defeated characters well beyond the SS in power. Hell, Thor has driven off SS's master a couple of times (whereas SS has been dismissed by Odin as a bug), and cracked his helmet twice that I know of.
So tell me, what makes you think the SS stomps Thor?
As I said Thor is being blown by the writers. Let's admit it huh? Surfer has never been a very popular hero in comparison to the likes of Thor. As for impressive feats, Surfer has defeated elder gods...that alone says something about his capability of controlling Thor's hammer.
Also yes you maybe don't want to accept it but he is a pacifict. When have you seen Surfer actually use his full power output? All he usually uses is his cosmic beams and speed on his board. But we all know he could manipulatem matter transform himself into almost anything. Increase his strength to be far stronger than Thor. His powers has a limit, but they are as close as one can get to elder god powers....
And no in his fights with Thor Surfer has always held back. He has never actually tried to kill Thor. And if he has...like being ampted by Loki for example and lost. Well it's PIS, I think it's time you fanboys actually admit that...
Originally posted by Mumrik
As I said Thor is being blown by the writers. Let's admit it huh? Surfer has never been a very popular hero in comparison to the likes of Thor. As for impressive feats, Surfer has defeated elder gods...that alone says something about his capability of controlling Thor's hammer.Also yes you maybe don't want to accept it but he is a pacifict. When have you seen Surfer actually use his full power output? All he usually uses is his cosmic beams and speed on his board. But we all know he could manipulatem matter transform himself into almost anything. Increase his strength to be far stronger than Thor. His powers has a limit, but they are as close as one can get to elder god powers....
And no in his fights with Thor Surfer has always held back. He has never actually tried to kill Thor. And if he has...like being ampted by Loki for example and lost. Well it's PIS, I think it's time you fanboys actually admit that...
Lol? Really? That's your rebuttal? That the writers are "blowing" Thor? So that invalidates all of Thor's feats, huh? Thor fights Skyfathers and Elder Gods habitually and does well if not win. And Surfer's high end feats don't translate into him overcoming Odin's enchantment and controlling Mjolnir. Get real.
So basically, you want us to imagine a version of Silver Surfer that doesn't exist on panel and is in line with your thoughts on how he should be portrayed. If Surfer could amp himself to be "far stronger than Thor" (lol btw) that sure would have came in handy all the times Thor was beating the crap out of him. And we have seen Surfer cut loose before, so the idea that he never invokes his full power is a myth.
You don't like that Thor beat an amped Surfer, so it's PIS? Gotcha.
To be fair to Surfer, by feats, he's certainly more fomidable nowdays than back then. Of course, so is Thor.
The best argument a pro-Surfer poster could feasibly make is that Surfer held his own against Thor in the pages of the Mighty Thor and was holding back whereas Thor was fully prepared to kill him. The fight ended before it could escalate as Surfer's anger had finally peaked. Of course, some people use that as clear evidence that Surfer would have eventually won decisively, which is preposterous.
In any case, Thor/Surfer is a competitive fight with Thor getting the majority imo. Adding any more Avengers let alone an entire roster of them is Lawl City.
Originally posted by Mumrik
Dealing with some hardcore fanboys here....you overestimate Thor. He has been beaten by Hulk before. In fact, he isn't even in SS's league. If you are going to argue like that you could be arguing for Green lanter > Surfer too. That is basically the same as saying Thor > Surfer....
What? 😂
He's beaten Hulk as well and has beaten people far more formidable than the Hulk. He's also beaten Surfer before, more than once, which is something you either don't get or don't want to get.
Thor's not in Surfer's league? 😱 Funny because Silver Surfer himself would disagree with that.
A Green Lantern could beat Surfer, actually. Hal/Kyle would put up a good fight. Alan would "Book of Willpower" him.
I'd suggest reading more Thor comics before you make these wild claims.