Consensus on being born gay?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I would like to see your proof.

I cannot really prove that babies are born with a sexuality other than the fact that there has never been any baby, ever, that had an urge to get it on.

I would like to see the proof of babies ****ing. On the other hand, no, do not give me proof of that: that would probably be illegal?

Originally posted by Robtard
Not sure about a "gay gene", but what makes the most sense to me, homosexuals are born with a mental disorder/imbalance* of some level which leads them more inclined to their own sex. I'd also say environmental factors do factor in with that, can say how much though.

That at least makes more sense than say a man being born hetero and just deciding "I'm going to be attracted to cock"; especially considering the massive negative views most societies have towards homosexuality.

*Before anyone flips out, I don't mean "disorder/imbalance" in a sense where there's something negatively wrong with them, but in an perpetuating the species sense it doesn't follow.

I agree a little bit. I do think there are genetic factors involved. That's plural, not singular. Those mixed with environment are what lead to "sexuality".

Originally posted by dadudemon
I cannot really prove that babies are born with a sexuality other than the fact that there has never been any baby, ever, that had an urge to get it on.

That's likely due to sexuality (activating?)coming on with age.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I cannot really prove that babies are born with a sexuality other than the fact that there has never been any baby, ever, that had an urge to get it on.

I would like to see the proof of babies ****ing. On the other hand, no, do not give me proof of that: that would probably be illegal?...

dadudemon, are you drunk? 😆

There are people who are born with a natural ability to sing, but we don't see babies singing. 😉

Originally posted by Robtard
Ninjak,

Where are you getting these Lesbian "facts" from?

Because if we're just using anecdotal evidence, I know of a few women who were married for years, had children and then divorced their husbands due to finally facing that they were gay and really always have been.

With women, it is a bit different, imo, than it is for a man.

They do not have to get aroused, at all, to have children. A man does. A man has to get it up, stick it in, and splooge. A women just has to put up with it.

So I am far more inclined to believe a women comes out as a "pure lesbian" than a man that has fathered a few children. It is hard (pun fully intended) to sell that you are "pure homosexual" when you had to have sex with women.

Society pressures! They fake it!

It is difficult to fake a boner and ejaculate. Not saying that they found their spouse attractive all those years, they just aren't the "pure gay" that they claim to be. Why can't people just admit that they are bisexual instead of claiming the poles?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
dadudemon, are you drunk? 😆

There are people who are born with a natural ability to sing, but we don't see babies singing. 😉

No, not drunk. Just pointing out the obvious fact that sexuality is what develops: you aren't born with it.

And, no, people are not born with the natural ability to sing. It is learned.

Originally posted by dadudemon
...No, not drunk. Just pointing out the obvious fact that sexuality is what develops: you aren't born with it.

And, no, people are not born with the natural ability to sing. It is learned.

Sorry about the drunk part. That was just a reference to another thread. 😛

You see, I think we are programmed with a lot more behavior then we realize. That is why I don't believe in free will. However, I do agree with you on the idea that we are all really bisexual to some degree.

Originally posted by dadudemon
With women, it is a bit different, imo, than it is for a man.

They do not have to get aroused, at all, to have children. A man does. A man has to get it up, stick it in, and splooge. A women just has to put up with it.

So I am far more inclined to believe a women comes out as a "pure lesbian" than a man that has fathered a few children. It is hard (pun fully intended) to sell that you are "pure homosexual" when you had to have sex with women.

Society pressures! They fake it!

It is difficult to fake a boner and ejaculate. Not saying that they found their spouse attractive all those years, they just aren't the "pure gay" that they claim to be. Why can't people just admit that they are bisexual instead of claiming the poles?

IIRC, it's very common for homosexuals to have tried the opposite sex before realizing/accepting they are indeed homo.

So calling them bisexual because they have been with both sexes before is faulty, though I'd guess it would be on a person-to-person basis.

"Fake it"? I'm not talking about the girls who have kissed another girl and say "Yaaaaay, I'm so Bi!", cos it's edgy.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry about the drunk part. That was just a reference to another thread. 😛

I caught it. 🥷

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
However, I do agree with you on the idea that we are all really bisexual to some degree.

Bam.

There are probably "strict poles" out there, but I tend to think those are few and far between.

Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, it's very common for homosexuals to have tried the opposite sex before realizing/accepting they are indeed homo.

No, they are not "pure homo" as some would claim. Just the same as some claiming "pure straight".

Originally posted by Robtard
So calling them bisexual because they have been with both sexes before is faulty, though I'd guess it would be on a person-to-person basis.

No, that would be accurate, not faulty. And, yes, it would be a person to person basis. We are the sum of our sexual experiences/thoughts. Our sexuality cannot be clearly defined by a singular instant.

Originally posted by Robtard
"Fake it"? I'm not talking about the girls who have kissed another girl and say "Yaaaaay, I'm so Bi!", cos it's edgy.

lol

Originally posted by dadudemon
Short story, no. No one is born gay, straight, bi, etc. etc. etc.

I have never seen a newborn baby have the urge to **** another of the same sex, opposite sex, have an orgy, etc. bla bla bla.

It is going too far to say "people are born gay". No, they are not. "People are born with some genetic factors that may lead to homosexuality" would be more correct.

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Originally posted by inimalist
short story

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not know about this. I do not like the way he worded that question so I do not want to answer it with a, "yes".

a) psychopathology that leads to violence and other things that are determined to be criminal

b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder

Originally posted by inimalist
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My bad.

Originally posted by inimalist
a) psychopathology that leads to violence and other things that are determined to be criminal

b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder

But those items are "leads to", not "always causes, without exception".

I was told that I had ODD. 😆

Because **** you. 😠

Originally posted by Astner
But there are people born with a predisposition to commit crimes?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Are there?

Originally posted by inimalist
yes

Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not know about this. I do not like the way he worded that question so I do not want to answer it with a, "yes".

Originally posted by inimalist
a) psychopathology that leads to violence and other things that are determined to be criminal

b) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oppositional_defiant_disorder

Originally posted by dadudemon
But those items are "leads to", not "always causes, without exception".

I was told that I had ODD. 😆

Because **** you. 😠

Dictionary.com:

predisposition -

1. the fact or condition of being predisposed: a predisposition to think optimistically.

2. Medicine/Medical . tendency to a condition or quality, usually based on the combined effects of genetic and environmental factors.

predispose

1. to give an inclination or tendency to beforehand; make susceptible: Genetic factors may predispose human beings to certain metabolic diseases.

2. to render subject, susceptible, or liable: The evidence predisposes him to public censure.

3. to dispose beforehand.

4. Archaic . to dispose of beforehand, as in a will, legacy, or the like.

Originally posted by inimalist
Dictionary.com:

[b]predisposition -

1. the fact or condition of being predisposed: a predisposition to think optimistically.

2. Medicine/Medical . tendency to a condition or quality, usually based on the combined effects of genetic and environmental factors.

predispose

1. to give an inclination or tendency to beforehand; make susceptible: Genetic factors may predispose human beings to certain metabolic diseases.

2. to render subject, susceptible, or liable: The evidence predisposes him to public censure.

3. to dispose beforehand.

4. Archaic . to dispose of beforehand, as in a will, legacy, or the like. [/B]

I like that "combination of genetic and environmental factors" definition, the most.

With the environment, one may not be predisposed to certain behaviors, despite the influences of genes.

no.... the genes would still predispose, the environment would cause the behaviours not to appear

Originally posted by inimalist
no.... the genes would still predispose, the environment would cause the behaviours not to appear

I disagree. The genes would not predispose. It is a combination of the environmental development and the genes that will predispose towards certain behaviors.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree.

then you don't understand what genetic predisposition means

Originally posted by inimalist
then you don't understand what genetic predisposition means

Here is how I define that:

A genetic predisposition is an inherited risk of developing a disease or condition.

Let me know if I got that wrong, Professor inimalist.

dont sweat it dadudemon. i got your back bro.

Originally posted by inimalist
then you don't understand what genetic predisposition means

troll! obviously you have been drinking. would you like to pm chat?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
dont sweat it dadudemon. i got your back bro.

troll! obviously you have been drinking. would you like to pm chat?

Reported. 🙂

for stealing your lines? not sure if thats against forum rules.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
for stealing your lines? not sure if thats against forum rules.

*obligatory reply to more trolling*

why do you need to reply to my "trolling"?