Originally posted by zopzop
Maxima all day.Comparable physical stats PLUS elite level TK and TP.
I don't think the stats are comparable. Supergirl looks closer to Superman, and Superman showed serious superiority over Maxima even under Byrne-era level.
Also, if your reasons were accurate, then well, she'd have a better record against Superman.
Uh, what? Maxima stomps Kara.
She has telepathy that stalemated Braniac, TK strong enough to hold together a planet, and aside from Superman she was the only other character capable of hurting/taking hits from Doomsday in Adventures of Superman. She's fast enough to startle Superman too so idk why Kara is getting votes. She's not even in their league.
Originally posted by Konton
Uh, what? Maxima stomps Kara.She has telepathy that stalemated Braniac, TK strong enough to hold together a planet, and aside from Superman she was the only other character capable of hurting/taking hits from Doomsday in Adventures of Superman. She's fast enough to startle Superman too so idk why Kara is getting votes. She's not even in their league.
Originally posted by Konton
Uh, what? Maxima stomps Kara.She has telepathy that stalemated Braniac, TK strong enough to hold together a planet, and aside from Superman she was the only other character capable of hurting/taking hits from Doomsday in Adventures of Superman. She's fast enough to startle Superman too so idk why Kara is getting votes. She's not even in their league.
And I don't think all that helps her enough against Superman. Supergirl is inferior, but not to the degree(at least physically) that Maxima is.
By the way, Supergirl's capable of taking hits from and hurting Superman. And by that point, Superman>DOS Doomsday.
Originally posted by Galan007
Kara might be physically stronger than Maxima, but even IF that is the case, I believe the difference is marginal. However, Maxima's monstrous TP/TK (along with her other psi abilities like BFR, duplication/simulacrums, force-fields, energy vision, etc.) give her a HUGE advantage, imo.Max wins.
What makes you think that Supergirl has a marginal physical advantage?
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Maxima casually handled 'big dogs' like: Brainiac 5, Orion, Captain Atom, Brainwave, Wonder Woman, Dr. Polaris, etc.Assuming Kara could just "power through" said versatility edge is ridiculous. g007-psyduck
hm Where was that scene? I'd like to see it.
Also, Maxima's versatility advantage hasn't always been helpful against Superman.
Originally posted by Delta1938Because even after 'teh Byrne era', Maxima was still shown giving Superman a decent fight. Was she his physical superior? No (though it CAN be argued.) But just like Kara, she was strong/fast enough to make him work for the win.
What makes you think that Supergirl has a marginal physical advantage?
Originally posted by Delta1938It's several scenes, not just one. All of them can be found in her respect thread:
hm Where was that scene? I'd like to see it.Also, Maxima's versatility advantage hasn't always been helpful against Superman.
Anyhow, no character's versatility edge has "always" been helpful against Superman. I'd also like to mention that Max never once used all of the psi-abilities at her disposal against Supes.
Originally posted by Galan007
Because even after 'teh Byrne era', Maxima was still shown giving Superman a decent fight. Was she his physical superior? No (though it CAN be argued.) But just like Kara, she was strong/fast enough to make him work for the win.
She didn't look to give him such a decent fight here.
Granted, that was when the whole Eradicator influence was making him less likely to hold back IIRC, but it shows what Superman could do to Maxima at Byrne-era levels when he stops dicking around. Supergirl doesn't have the same control/holding back as Superman on top.
Originally posted by Galan007
It's several scenes, not just one. All of them can be found in her respect thread:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=547416&pagenumber=1
Oh ok, I got the impression it was all simultaneously when I read it, and I'm like, "WHAAAAAAA?" And thanks for the link, I'll check it in detail later.
Originally posted by Galan007
Anyhow, no character's versatility edge has "always" been helpful against Superman. I'd also like to mention that Max never once used all of the psi-abilities at her disposal against Supes.
So she's going to suddenly change for Supergirl over Superman? I know the whole her wanting to make him her lover/babydaddy and all, but there were plenty of times I saw where she was too enraged for that to matter, as well as against other characters.
Originally posted by Delta1938That scene actually had nothing to do with Erads. It was a mental illusion Max cast into his mind in an effort to get Clark to love her. She could have mindraped him if she wanted.
She didn't look to give him such a decent fight here.Granted, that was when the whole Eradicator influence was making him less likely to hold back IIRC, but it shows what Superman could do to Maxima at Byrne-era levels when he stops dicking around. Supergirl doesn't have the same control/holding back as Superman on top.
Either way, do you really want me to post a few of her better fights against Superman, in which she came out looking better than him? Do you want me to then post Kara's battle against a drastically holding-back Superman as a point of comparison? C'mon. Let's not judge an entire theoretical fight by a single low showing. srsly
Originally posted by Delta1938KMC rules state that a character will fight to the best of their ability, so long as the tactics they use are still in character for them. On numerous occasions, Maxima has shown that using her psi-abilities (namely TP and TK) is one of her favored tactics--moreso than even fisticuffs. Therefore, I see no reason to assume that she wouldn't use at least some of those abilities here.
So she's going to suddenly change for Supergirl over Superman? I know the whole her wanting to make him her lover/babydaddy and all, but there were plenty of times I saw where she was too enraged for that to matter, as well as against other characters.
Additionally, I doubt the thread starter made this thread with the intention that Max wouldn't use any of her exotic powers.
Originally posted by Galan007
That scene actually had nothing to do with Erads. It was a mental illusion Max cast into his mind in an effort to get Clark to love her. She could have mindraped him if she wanted.Either way, do you really want me to post a few of her better fights against Superman, in which she came out looking better than him? Do you want me to then post Kara's battle against a drastically holding-back Superman as a point of comparison? C'mon. Let's not judge an entire theoretical fight by a single low showing. srsly
KMC rules state that a character will fight to the best of their ability, so long as the tactics they use are still in character for them. On numerous occasions, Maxima has shown that using her psi-abilities (namely TP and TK) is one of her favored tactics--moreso than even fisticuffs. Therefore, I see no reason to assume that she wouldn't use at least some of those abilities here.
Additionally, I doubt the thread starter made this thread with the intention that Max wouldn't use any of her exotic powers.