Luke had weaknesses that Jacen could exploit that Luke did not and would not have at other points, and you know it.
and 'whatever injury' Palpatine sustained in the past? I get tired of explaining this: Palpatine's shatterpoint was Anakin himself.
Ye, checked the book myself recently, don't get why so many people claimed that Windu won because of shatterpoint.
In any case that Luke's weakness didn't affect his overall performance.
Jacen's first attack was described as" rib-crunching roundhouse", so even, if it wasn't barely healed wound, it is still hell lot of impact. But it doesn't matter because Luke didn't give a fvck that it was painful:
Good, Luke thought. This was supposed to hurt.Jacen followed the kick with a high slash. Luke blocked and spun inside, landing an elbow smash to the temple that dropped Jacen to his knees. He brought his own knee up under Jacen's chin, hearing teeth crack-and relishing it. He parried a weak slash at his thighs, then drew his blade up diagonally where his nephew's chest should have been.
- Luke continued pawning Jacen as if that attack meant nothing.
He came up under Luke's guard, holding his weapon with one hand and driving a Force-enhanced punch into Luke's ribs with the other, striking for the same place he had kicked earlier. Luke's chest exploded into pain, and he found himself croaking instead of breathing. - Yes, looks like it affected Luke a lot but again it didn't weaken his performance and even stronger retalation followed:
Luke struck again with his lightsaber, using both hands and putting all his strength into the attack, beating his nephew's guard down so far that emerald blade bit into his own shoulder. - It is clear that Luke tolerated pain, so his combat performance wasn't affected in any way. He still wasn't weaken and could put full strength into his attack that nearly killed Jacen.
Jacen kicked at Luke's legs, catching the side of a knee. Something popped and Luke felt himself going down. - This is where Luke is weakened as with crippled leg he can't move around as effectively. And I point out that this injury is irrelevant to healed wound, Luke simply failed to defend against it.
And here is the prove that he is weakened only after knee strike:
Luke rolled over his throbbing knee and spun back to his feet with a clearing sweep.
His blade met Jacen's in a shower of brilliant sparks. Luke freed one hand and drove a finger-strike at Jacen's eyes.
Jacen turned his head, but Luke's little finger scratched across something soft and bulbous. Jacen roared and stumbled away, shaking his head. Luke feinted a dash toward his nephew's blind side, then-as Jacen pivoted to protect his injured eye-Luke hit him with a Force wave.
Jacen went flying, and it required only a soft nudge to steer him into a tendril-draped rack in the far corner. He hit with so much cracking and crashing that Luke worried the rack had broken, but the thin tendrils quickly entwined Jacen in a net of pulsing green.
Luke started forward, his injured knee buckling each time he put weight on it.
Narration reminds us about his leg on many occasions, moreover, Jacen later kicked him in the same knee again injuring it farther. But narration never reminds us about his healed wound, it caused only pain when hit, which he tolerated without any problem and still utilised full strength.
Interesting way to neglect how Jacen caught him by a sneak attack.
You didn't note Kyle defeated these Dark Jedi separately (he drew on the Dark Side to defeat -)Boc, by the by),a nd that Kyle defeated Jerec by blocking him off from the Valley's power according to the Dark Forces Saga
Neglect? Jacen would have chopped Kyle's leg off, if not battle-meld, he was clear Kyle's superior and defended effortlessly enough to fight against all 4 and observe and sense surroundings.
Why do I need to note things you likely know yourself? I didn't say he did it simultaneously either. And Jerec was very powerful even
before valley and was shown killing a Jedi master with Force alone. And Kyle still defeated him with very inferior training.
Ok, you admit they became avatars? Then we're done with that argument.No. Palpatine is never described as a dark nexus or the avatar of the darkside then. Galen opened himself to the force simply to survive briefly, and died in the process at the end. Yoda also...never entered that state to any knowledge.
This word "avatar" means nothing. There is no source describing Luke becoming "tool of the Force", word "avatar' isn't mentioned anywhere either. Leia felt it as light confronting dark because it was pure lightsider against pure darksider, nothing more. Same situation with Yoda vs Sidious - pure lightsider vs pure darksider.
But his physical presence was an illusion; the truth of him could be seen only in the Force.In the Force, he was a fountain of light.
- Leia felt Luke as light. Sidious felt Yoda as fountain of light, while he was referred as the shadow. There is simply no difference, your assumption about Luke experiencing Oneness like Jacen in fight with Onimi stays assumption. Moreover, in comic Luke wasn't even glowing, while Jacen was like a golden torch. You consider Leia's apparent glowing, yet, entirely skeep the fact that he doesn't.
And? He went to kill Jacen, yes. Luke went to kill Kueller, too, and was still performing the worst. Jacen fought intelligently, but not more powerfully, and he was growing stronger from any injury that wasn't a fatality until the end.
I intentionally brought up a lot of quotes from that fight.
Luke is clearly more skilled than in DE as he is shown utilising kicks, elbows and eye poking instead of pure fencing.
He caught Jacen off guard with Force blast that he hit with "so much cracking and crashing", yet it didn't do to him any serious damage. After Jacen evened it out by displaying his TK:
Jacen stopped cutting at the tendrils and flung a hand toward the ceiling.
"Dad, look — "
Luke was already throwing himself to the deck. A tremendous crash sounded from the illumination panel, and the chamber fell instantly dark. He rolled opposite the direction he had just been moving, but wasn't quick enough. The fixture smashed into his head and shoulders, slamming his face into the deck. He heard something crunch in his nose and was instantly choking on his own thick blood. - Luke even was warned by Ben and still failed to defend against it.
And even after all those injuries they both sustained, they still fought faster than the eye could follow:
They came together in a blinding flurry of sparks, their blades colliding faster than the eye could follow, filling the dark chamber with flashing fans of color. Blows came out of nowhere. Luke caught another kick in his knee and found himself calling on the Force to keep his balance. He landed an elbow and felt a bone in Jacen's face shatter.
In this fight there is no apparent power difference between them. They both inflicted serious damage to each other. They both successfully utilised TK against each other. And they both fought faster than the eye could follow. The only difference was that Luke was more talented with lightsaber, while Jacen - more versatile.
You simply have no ground to assume that far more experienced, skilled and cunning Luke fought less effectively or slower than against Sidious. And for me such display against more powerful and deadly version of Luke is enough to put Jacen on level or above Sidious in terms of combat.
Mmhmm. Leia glowing with force energy and the shadpws breaking means nothing
Moreover when is it said Leia didn't know BM elsewhere? We have select comments on it besides, when the endnotes and the DE sourcebook comment on her studying from Bodo Baas's Holocron.
Leia DID NOT study Holocron teachings before duel. She switched it on and Bodo told her his prophesy about them confronting Sidious together. After she rushed to help Luke. After duel she said "let me add my power to yours, that's what holocron meant". There is no source confirming that she utilised bm during duel and I already provided you with quotes proving that she and C3PO discovered teachings of bm from a book in Empire's end and still she did not proceed to learn it at that point.
I find it funny how you rely on glowing Leia in comic assuming she empowered him during duel and at the same time on her feeling Luke as light assuming that he experienced Oneness, when he doesn't even glow in comic. Make your mind which source to follow. In any case no source says that she was empowering him during duel, nor that he experienced oneness with the Force at that point. Luke had enough potential and experience on his own to show equal or better result, than Windu or Yoda.
Right. Luke had studied Jedi techniques over decades, despite DE taking place 6 years after ROTJ. He wasn't using Sith techs against Palpatine either, so I have no idea what you mean.
Luke started learning in 0 New Hope from Obi-Wan in case you forgot, DE is in 11, hence over decade. Didn't use Sith techs against Palpatine? Seriously? So killing defenceless clones, utilising Dun Moch(although lame), using anger and manifesting it into Force lightning is not the core of Sith teachings? Was it electric judgement then produced by his perfect Jedi calm?
Let's see evidence of this from the comic? a mention of 'Dun Moch' please.
When he fought Luke at the end of DE, he'd zapped him with Force Lightnin and was continuing taunting as ever, too.
And Sidious laughed off that lightning and continued taunting.
You can argue as much as you want but lightside DE Luke > darkside DE Luke for obvious reasons.