Originally posted by Rikudo senninYou are giving it the exact same properties as Suigetsu's jutsu, and while they come from the same clan, the Second's is very different.
its the same exact jutsu as suigetsu's dumbass and he cant be hurt unless its electricity or huge energy attacks dumbass.
Oh, and Killer Bee incapacitated Suigetsu without even using lightning.
How? By being fast and strong enough to do so.
Dumbass.
Originally posted by NemeBro
You are giving it the exact same properties as Suigetsu's jutsu, and while they come from the same clan, the Second's is very different.Oh, and Killer Bee incapacitated Suigetsu without even using lightning.
How? By being fast and strong enough to do so.
Dumbass.
fast and strong enough he had to use the tbb!!! Second the mizukages is more advanced as its is a mixture of oil and water so actually it doesnt have that many weaknesses as oil which is a insulator stops the lightning weakness and water cancels out oils fire weakness. Point is there the same and your just being dumb. Garp has no way of stopping him let alone infinite explosions to which he has no counter.
Originally posted by Rikudo senninWhat the **** are you talking about?
fast and strong enough he had to use the tbb!!! Second the mizukages is more advanced as its is a mixture of oil and water so actually it doesnt have that many weaknesses as oil which is a insulator stops the lightning weakness and water cancels out oils fire weakness. Point is there the same and your just being dumb. Garp has no way of stopping him let alone infinite explosions to which he has no counter.
When was any of this weakness cancellation shit brought up?
And tbb? Not familiar with the abreviation.
Anyway, are you familiar with equivelancy? It means that we assume that, despite different settings, powers can be assumed to work on other similarly powered characters how they do in their home series, to a reasonable extent.
So Haki cancels out any logia-esque abilities anyway, and the Second has his head taken off by a small rock.
Originally posted by NemeBro
What the **** are you talking about?When was any of this weakness cancellation shit brought up?
And tbb? Not familiar with the abreviation.
Anyway, are you familiar with equivelancy? It means that we assume that, despite different settings, powers can be assumed to work on other similarly powered characters how they do in their home series, to a reasonable extent.
So Haki cancels out any logia-esque abilities anyway, and the Second has his head taken off by a small rock.
that logic would mean genjusu would work on all other characters yet that is not even remotely regarded by optards. tbb+tailed beast bomb otherwise without electricity i havent seen suijetsu severely hurt by anyone. anyway oil is a resistor so naturally ti takes away the electricity weakness for the mizukage
You'd not find a single regular here who'd make the argument that genjutsu wouldn't work on OP characters. Quit being butthurt about the stupid people that argue that.
Now, would genjutsu work on someone like, say, Enel who can use Mantra, the One Piece equivalent to Chakra Sensing, which can see through genjutsu(depending on the level)? Probably not. Course, not like Genjutsu is an automatic win anyway.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
You'd not find a single regular here who'd make the argument that genjutsu wouldn't work on OP characters. Quit being butthurt about the stupid people that argue that.Now, would genjutsu work on someone like, say, Enel who can use Mantra, the One Piece equivalent to Chakra Sensing, which can see through genjutsu(depending on the level)? Probably not. Course, not like Genjutsu is an automatic win anyway.
sensors dont see through genjutsu as it messes up the senses but it helps prevent occular genjutsu and i can show you hundreds of threads where genjutsu is not aloud.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
sensors dont see through genjutsu as it messes up the senses but it helps prevent occular genjutsu and i can show you hundreds of threads where genjutsu is not aloud.
On the contrary, Karin uses chakra sensing to make sure she is not caught in a genjutsu during the Danzo fight. That is one of the easiest ways to get around a genjutsu:using a different sense to circumvent the one being manipulated. It's clearly possible to use chakra sensing to see past genjutsu, depending on who is who.
And you can show me those hundreds of threads but I'm still not going to care.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
On the contrary, Karin uses chakra sensing to make sure she is not caught in a genjutsu during the Danzo fight. That is one of the easiest ways to get around a genjutsu:using a different sense to circumvent the one being manipulated. It's clearly possible to use chakra sensing to see past genjutsu, depending on who is who.And you can show me those hundreds of threads but I'm still not going to care.
sensing wouls tell you if you or someone else is under genjutsu doesnt mean you can break it as if karin was under tsukiyomi and she knew simply attempting ti disrupt your chakra wont mean you win.
I dont have to show you the threads since the point was that genjutsu is not generally excepted in vs threads and still only logia intagability form a df has shown to be affected by haki.
Originally posted by Rikudo sennin
sensing wouls tell you if you or someone else is under genjutsu doesnt mean you can break it as if karin was under tsukiyomi and she knew simply attempting ti disrupt your chakra wont mean you win.
I dont have to show you the threads since the point was that genjutsu is not generally excepted in vs threads and still only logia intagability form a df has shown to be affected by haki.
No, Karin checked herself. And no, it wouldn't work on Tsukuyomi, which causes a huge amount of harm to the enemy within moments. You can't even attempt to get out of it.
And I still don't care. Genjutsu is perfectly viable on this forum. As is Haki.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
No, Karin checked herself. And no, it wouldn't work on Tsukuyomi, which causes a huge amount of harm to the enemy within moments. You can't even attempt to get out of it.And I still don't care. Genjutsu is perfectly viable on this forum. As is Haki.
all im saying is that naruto chracters are both underated and stripped of thier powers on most threads.
They aren't stripped of their powers here(unless someone does it in the OP).
Naruto characters do tend to be weaker though. Naruto is ahead of One Piece and Bleach in terms of pure destructive capabilities thanks to Dust Release users, the Bijuudama, and the shit Madara is doing. They also tend to employ tactics more in their fights usually. However, they are slower, physically less imposing than One Piece(and probably Bleach, dunno though), and are more the glass cannon types(and explosive tag is still a viable way to kill someone in Naruto while even Luffy when he was pretty weak took a much stronger explosion).
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
They aren't stripped of their powers here(unless someone does it in the OP).Naruto characters do tend to be weaker though. Naruto is ahead of One Piece and Bleach in terms of pure destructive capabilities thanks to Dust Release users, the Bijuudama, and the shit Madara is doing. They also tend to employ tactics more in their fights usually. However, they are slower, physically less imposing than One Piece(and probably Bleach, dunno though), and are more the glass cannon types(and explosive tag is still a viable way to kill someone in Naruto while even Luffy when he was pretty weak took a much stronger explosion).
yeah i understand that but then again op is a more developed manga then naruto so i would expect op characters to be currently higher(not by much0 it might be the strongest hst manga. Bleach is just stupid with over the top explosions and slashes and im sure naruto characters have or will be better than them overall.
Originally posted by Rikudo senninBlublublublublub.
that logic would mean genjusu would work on all other characters yet that is not even remotely regarded by optards. tbb+tailed beast bomb otherwise without electricity i havent seen suijetsu severely hurt by anyone. anyway oil is a resistor so naturally ti takes away the electricity weakness for the mizukage
Go whine to someone who cares.
I never said that Genjutsu doesn't work on OP characters (Though IIRC Garp has Mantra (Forget the technical name of the Haki type), which would get around most Genjutsu), only that Haki would negate logia-esque intangibility (But not intangibility of the same kind as Tobi's).
Also, Suigetsu was smacked like a noob by Killer Bee at the start of the fight.
Anyway, Garp throws a small pepple at the Second's head. To say Garp is physically much stronger than anyone in Naruto would be an understatement (A biju may be stronger, but I don't recall any feats to suggest that).