I can tell you exactly where the film would have ended. They would have arrested Joker and his goons after saving Harvey. Joker would have detonated his bomb, but McClane would inexplicably be blown out the window onto a cop car, and then use that cop car to chase Joker down and ram into a building or something Kirill-style.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, the last time someone took McClane's wife or daughter hostage, all the kidnappers ended up dead; some in horrible ways.. Joker doesn't have a chance; ONLY reason he was able to pull off what he did, was because Batman choose not to kill him when he had the chance(s).McClane won't hesitate in breaking his neck, shooting him in the face or running his ass over. "Do you like my scars..." *bang* *Joker Dies* *McClane adds quick quip*
lolz. McClane had hackers help him find the location of the villians in DH4. He ain't getting that help here. And even if he did look those kids up they would'nt be able to help him.
Originally posted by Lestov16
What a load of baloneyIf McClane can take on Simon, then he can take on the Joker
Simon jobbed. badly.
"McClane I have your wife at point A and your Daughter at point B choose who lives. You have 15 mins before the bombs go off."
And because Joker has no repect for these two cops he blows McClane up upon arrival regardless of a timer.
Originally posted by KingD19
Originally posted by Psychotron
I'd like to see that scene from TDK with the batpod only with John McClane instead of Batman."Come on! Hit me!"
BAM! Joker paste.
Witty one-liner.
Originally posted by McNasty996
I'm going with Team Willis in this match. Nuetral ground means no help, means no one-sided prep, means in reality the Joker could easily get shot up by a street gang trying to pull of his stunts and get recruits. He gets gun downed, extreme prejudice.
Joker wins. Lifes good.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Joker wins. Lifes good.
Sadly sir, Life is not good in da hood
You claim that Joker will just hunt down McClane's family? Why would he do that? The only reason he went after Harvey and Rachel is because Harvey was his intended target anyway because he was a public official, and he saw how Batman dove for Rachel. He was going after Batman. That was (initially) his entire purpose for being in Gotham. He had a personal reason for going after them
However, that is not the conditions of the thread. The thread says the Joker is causing chaos in NYC and NYPD grab McClane and Hartigan (I suppose because they are good at what they do). I'm just assuming the Joker is detonating bombs Simon-style to push his nihilist agenda, and has no personal reason to go after McClane. The Joker doesn't know who these guys are, and once McClane and Hartigan raid Joker's compound, there's no way in hell he's going to escape, especially not to go after McClane's family in revenge.
Hell, even if we set this in The Dark Knight, with McClane and Hartigan, there's no way he would have gotten out of Dent's charity. Even if Joker managed to grab Rachel, McClane's made shots against people holding hostages before...
As the OP states:
Joker is causing chaos and McClane & Hartigan are made partners by the NYPD to stop him. Can they get the job done?
Which means the Joker has already solidified his influence on NY and is a major threat considering the OP states he is causing chaos. He has robbed mobsters, robbed banks, has a force of thugs, has alot of money and has blackmailed cops. As per the film.
John McClane and John Hartigan have been made partners and have to stop the threat. They hit the streets, questioning people, beating up thugs to get info on the Joker.
This info WILL get back to the Joker. As well as the fact that blackmailed cops will relay the info to him that these two cops are onto him. Now at first he won't care.......until he checks up on them. McClane has a track record that WILL get his attention. He kills masterminds and foils major criminal plots. This will interest the Joker. Even Batman didn't find out the level of exposure the Joker had on the ploice force until it was nearly too late.
Originally posted by Psychotron
Well, I guess if Joker has thugs then those Willis boys are doomed for sure.Gotham's thugs were scared of Joker because Batman doesn't kill. McClane and Hartigan don't have that problem.
McClane and Hartigan aint going to kill people just to get info on the Joker. But the people under the Joker's payroll will fear the Joker.
Originally posted by Lestov16
My main point is that in order for Joker to want to go after McClane's family, he's going to first have to encounter McClane, and Joker is [b]NOT surviving his first encounter with McClane (less lone McClane and Hartigan) [/B]
As I explained above. Joker will learn of these two guys eventually. They wont find the Joker before he finds out about them. The police couldn't be trusted anymore because the Joker had too many blackmailed.
And once the Joker finds out about McClane he WILL be interested. And it won't take long to find out about his ex-wife and two kids. Especially once the duo start making collateral damage. McClane sniffs out trouble and makes his presence known. It's his gift. And he always calls for backup. It's just usually backup isn't always there.
Then Joker only made himself open when he personally wanted to ensure that a particular target had to die. If these two are his only challenge he simply hits banks and mobsters then disappears.
McClane and Hartigan ain't just going to hide in the shadows and prey they catch some goons. They're going to ask questions. Make themselves known. Batman only succeeded due to insane tech and insane skill and alot of luck. And even he had to resort to torture to get leads.
I don't see that happening.
First of all, where is Joker getting these goons from? A mental asylum, because the only reason he was allowed access to the mob's goons was because he agreed he would use their resources to kill Batman. Since Batman doesn't exist here, he has nothing to bribe them with.
He could rob banks and try to corrupt the police, but NYPD (hell not even including McClane) are far more competent at fighting crime, especially terrorism, than "Only good guy on the force" Jim Gordon and the GCPD
Hartigan also went against a monster who had a lot of money. Tore his entire reproductive system out of his body, twice.
They won't need to ask a lot of questions. If Joker has to rely on that guy from the Mayor's attempted assassination to protect his secret location, he's screwed
Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't see that happening.First of all, where is Joker getting these goons from? A mental asylum, because the only reason he was allowed access to the mob's goons was because he agreed he would use their resources to kill Batman. Since Batman doesn't exist here, he has nothing to bribe them with.
He could rob banks and try to corrupt the police, but NYPD (hell not even including McClane) are far more competent at fighting crime, especially terrorism, than "Only good guy on the force" Jim Gordon and the GCPD
Hartigan also went against a monster who had a lot of money. Tore his entire reproductive system out of his body, twice.
They won't need to ask a lot of questions. If Joker has to rely on that guy from the Mayor's attempted assassination to protect his secret location, he's screwed
This.
Originally posted by the ninjak
No no no. You trying to take away the Joker's one power in a forum fight? His ability to manipulate criminals? Gotham was just another name for New York. Regardless Joker has the intelligence to way his options in his given envrionment. Thugs joined his cause regardless of race or affiliations. He will have these two cops killed in either-
-their sleep.
-on the road.
-a by some diabolical trap.Joker wins. Lifes good.
Except you missing a critical detail that allowed Joker to get even half as far as he did, Batman. Batman was the entire reason that he was even hired and tolerated for as long as he was because the mob wanted him gone at any cost and the police were following his lead and going after the mob, pretty much writing Joker off until things got big.
He even had about a year to set up his little gambit that went into play in The Dark Night, which began in Batman Begins. He had fresh pool of insane individuals provided for him via Arkham Asylum and even then it's pointed out that when he blackmailed the Russian to get his mobsters on his side they didn't trust him and had enough. Unlike his crazies they had an agenda that couldn't be agreed to.
And in a forum fight he doesn't even know where to start with mobsters, as was pointed out in Begins everyone knew who was leading the mobs and gangs because they wanted everyone to fear them. He won't know who will be heading these games in real life. It's even further stated that the reason no one would talk to Batman was because they figured out that he wouldn't kill them while the Joker would. Put someone who is willing to kill and things change drastically.
Originally posted by the ninjak
lolz. McClane had hackers help him find the location of the villians in DH4. He ain't getting that help here. And even if he did look those kids up they would'nt be able to help him.
Originally posted by the ninjak
As the OP states:
Joker is causing chaos and McClane & Hartigan are made partners by the NYPD to stop him. Can they get the job done?Which means the Joker has already solidified his influence on NY and is a major threat considering the OP states he is causing chaos. He has robbed mobsters, robbed banks, has a force of thugs, has alot of money and has blackmailed cops. As per the film.
It certainly does not. Joker could cause nonsense on his own or with the few lunatics he had at one point. The end of Begins we're made aware of a new threat in town.
You're giving the Joker men and resources when none were specifically stated; while outright denying McClane and Hartigan theirs, when it says "they're partnered by the NYPD", which means they have that resource to draw from, the NYPD, one massive police force with ties to the FBI, DHS, CIA etc., be it cars, helicopters, weapons and/or intel.
Joker gets taken down by either of these cops, as they're two bad-asses who don't fool around and won't hesitate to kill a murdering clown.
Nicholson Joker has a chance he is smart and likely to hire some serious muscle.
Heath Joker goes down fast and hard, when his mind games don't work on McClane and the whole city doesn't job to him.
Contrary to what some believe Nolan-verse Joker only thrived because his Gotham was full of negligent morons.
Originally posted by Robtard
It certainly does not. Joker could cause nonsense on his own or with the few lunatics he had at one point. The end of Begins we're made aware of a new threat in town.You're giving the Joker men and resources when none were specifically stated; while outright denying McClane and Hartigan theirs, when it says "they're partnered by the NYPD", which means they have that resource to draw from, the NYPD, one massive police force with ties to the FBI, DHS, CIA etc., be it cars, helicopters, weapons and/or intel.
Joker gets taken down by either of these cops, as they're two bad-asses who don't fool around and won't hesitate to kill a murdering clown.
When did I take the partners resources away? The hackers in DH:4 traced the terrorists location. That's how he found them. He can still call them but they wont help against someone like the Joker.
No one knew who the Joker was. He didn't always wear the make-up. He isn't driving around in a clown mobile laughing like an idiot. He's a terrorist annihilist. He plants bombs, robs banks and blackmails cops.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I don't see that happening.First of all, where is Joker getting these goons from? A mental asylum, because the only reason he was allowed access to the mob's goons was because he agreed he would use their resources to kill Batman. Since Batman doesn't exist here, he has nothing to bribe them with.
He could rob banks and try to corrupt the police, but NYPD (hell not even including McClane) are far more competent at fighting crime, especially terrorism, than "Only good guy on the force" Jim Gordon and the GCPD
Hartigan also went against a monster who had a lot of money. Tore his entire reproductive system out of his body, twice.
They won't need to ask a lot of questions. If Joker has to rely on that guy from the Mayor's attempted assassination to protect his secret location, he's screwed
Very good points. Joker most definitely won't have as much easy money and men then he did in TDK. But in this day and age of mass recession, political and religious hate groups, loads of mentally instable people due to no Health Care and the fact that America has become a plague of drug addicts. The Joker will have a field day rounding up his special kind of gang. Criminals who've hit rock bottom will completely relate to Jokers ideals. The OP doesn't state how long the Joker has been in business. IT DOESN'T STATE MUCH AT ALL. Only that Joker is causing chaos. We can argue that he could just be some nutbag who lives in a basement stabbing old ladies in Central Park.
You guys really want me to throw a spanner in this threads works. OP states do they stop him/ STOP HIM DOING WHAT? Joker could blow up a few hospitals a precincts then take a holiday in Chicago. And do it again. McClane and Hartigan are left spying to spending nights spying on McClanes daughter like a couple the creeps they are. 🙂
Originally posted by McNasty996
Except you missing a critical detail that allowed Joker to get even half as far as he did, Batman. Batman was the entire reason that he was even hired and tolerated for as long as he was because the mob wanted him gone at any cost and the police were following his lead and going after the mob, pretty much writing Joker off until things got big.He even had about a year to set up his little gambit that went into play in The Dark Night, which began in Batman Begins. He had fresh pool of insane individuals provided for him via Arkham Asylum and even then it's pointed out that when he blackmailed the Russian to get his mobsters on his side they didn't trust him and had enough. Unlike his crazies they had an agenda that couldn't be agreed to.
And in a forum fight he doesn't even know where to start with mobsters, as was pointed out in Begins everyone knew who was leading the mobs and gangs because they wanted everyone to fear them. He won't know who will be heading these games in real life. It's even further stated that the reason no one would talk to Batman was because they figured out that he wouldn't kill them while the Joker would. Put someone who is willing to kill and things change drastically.
Another good point. But this Joker "obviously" isn't gong to walk into some cheeseball crime meeting and try and blackmail a bunch of crims. He just wants to steal money. Raise the rabble. Cause anarchy. And blow stuff up.
In the end this is McClane and Hartigan vs Joker. If the duo stumbled upon Joker robbing a bank will they kill him.....sure. If the duo start popping goons and word gets back to the Joker then he can hit them hard as well.
I reckon the odds of the later happening are better. As I stated before Joker doesn't drive around in a white, red and green clown mobile. He was discreet, creative and a didn't fear dying.
Originally posted by Riot-Gear
Nicholson Joker has a chance he is smart and likely to hire some serious muscle.Heath Joker goes down fast and hard, when his mind games don't work on McClane and the whole city doesn't job to him.
Contrary to what some believe Nolan-verse Joker only thrived because his Gotham was full of negligent morons.
Originally posted by Lestov16
First of all, where is Joker getting these goons from?
You'd be surprised.
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