CISLESS Surfer vs CISLESS Thor

Originally posted by MF DELPH
I'd say Surfer, mainly because with CIS off for both it'd be easier for Surfer to simply separate Thor from Mjolnir or render him unable to wield it by restraining/encasing Thor's hands. Sure, Thor could still mentally command Mjolnir's movements remotely, but a big part of his offense would be neutered.

That's kind of why I'm edging towards surfer. His shields won't last long against Thor but maybe long enough to get hits in or cause problems. Encasing Thor's hands would be a safer bet than encasing Mjolnir though since Thor under these stips would just teleport it back to his hand instead of breaking the forcefields. But surfer striking in those small moments of vulnerability would begin to wear Thor down. Of course Thor has a good chance at winning also. It's really close.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The combat speed gap between Superman and the Hulk is almost infinitely worse than it is between SS and Thor.

I recall you claiming WBH could thunderclap Superman as soon as a fight started, and I said the Hulk wouldn't even have time to raise his arms before Superman punched him a ridiculous number of times and you disagreed. In fact, in many DC vs Marvel fights, you have ignored, or flat out denied that the superior speed of the DC character would come into play. I'm not going to show you where you said, because I have better things to do than to go through all your old posts, but I will keep an eye out for when you do it again (because I'm sure you will) and I'll point this conversation out when you do....But regardless, that's off topic anyway.

When you learn what CIS mean, holla at me. That's like me saying Surfer beats Superman 10/10 due to weakness exploiting when 90% of the time, he probably wouldn't even resort to this method. That's like me saying Thor beats Prime 10/10 via bfring or soul sucking. Shut the h*** up if you dont know these rules and if you do know them, be consistent about it.

Originally posted by carver9
When you learn what CIS mean, holla at me. That's like me saying Surfer beats Superman 10/10 due to weakness exploiting when 90% of the time, he probably wouldn't even resort to this method. That's like me saying Thor beats Prime 10/10 via bfring or soul sucking. Shut the h*** up if you dont know these rules and if you do know them, be consistent about it.

First, SS has to know about his weaknesses. Don't give me that bulls*** cosmic awareness argument either. Second, kryptonite from other universes won't affect him anyways, so if the SS makes any, it won't do anything to Superman. Red sunlight might give him an edge, if he could find out about it, but even that is far from a guaranteed win for the SS.

Onto Prime: If you're saying SS gets 3 shots in on Thor before Thor gets one, what do you think Prime, who's combat speed is multiple times faster than the SS, going to do? Also, considering he's literally punched his way out of the phantom zone, where exactly is he going to BFR him to?

You can't even troll right.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
My point is simply that no one who says the SS can make it there, can prove that he could either, so it's really a ridiculous claim to make.

Superman has a personal forcefield. Thor does not. Not as far as I know, anyway. I see no reason why a point in space that Thor happens to be passing through would be privileged by the full measure of his durability. Do things not enter his body all the time? Does he not draw a lung full of air to speak? A point of space within his body that is not presently occupied by any particular body part should be fair game.

Of course physics work strangely in comics (and often not at all). OF course I can't prove that an ordinary point in space IS an ordinary point in space once Thor parks his big norse body around it. I can't prove that Marvel Earth even has gravity and not some foreign concept called DHFKLHNGIOB!!! that just happens to resemble gravity too closely for anyone to have noticed. I kinda feel like I shouldn't have to.

I kinda feel like we should assume basic physical laws until shown otherwise.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Superman has a personal forcefield. Thor does not. Not as far as I know, anyway. I see no reason why a point in space that Thor happens to be passing through would be privileged by the full measure of his durability. Do things not enter his body all the time? Does he not draw a lung full of air to speak? A point of space within his body that is not presently occupied by any particular body part should be fair game.

Of course physics work strangely in comics (and often not at all). OF course I can't prove that an ordinary point in space IS an ordinary point in space once Thor parks his big norse body around it. I can't prove that Marvel Earth even has gravity and not some foreign concept called DHFKLHNGIOB!!! that just happens to resemble gravity too closely for anyone to have noticed. I kinda feel like I shouldn't have to.

I kinda feel like we should assume basic physical laws until shown otherwise.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Superman has a personal forcefield. Thor does not. Not as far as I know, anyway. I see no reason why a point in space that Thor happens to be passing through would be privileged by the full measure of his durability. Do things not enter his body all the time? Does he not draw a lung full of air to speak? A point of space within his body that is not presently occupied by any particular body part should be fair game.

Of course physics work strangely in comics (and often not at all). OF course I can't prove that an ordinary point in space IS an ordinary point in space once Thor parks his big norse body around it. I can't prove that Marvel Earth even has gravity and not some foreign concept called DHFKLHNGIOB!!! that just happens to resemble gravity too closely for anyone to have noticed. I kinda feel like I shouldn't have to.

I kinda feel like we should assume basic physical laws until shown otherwise.

I agree with you that we should assume basic physical laws until shown otherwise. But a norse god who can survive standing inside the sun might affect the space around him in some way. But again, I can't prove it would. And if Thor doesn't have a personal forcefield, like Superman does, then I would be more inclined to agree with you, though not totally.

What are your thoughts about SS making a black hole in someone like Hal Jordan or Superman's brain? Do you agree that forcefields around them could f*** with that ability?

Originally posted by Newjak
Thor can talk in space so apparently he doesn't need air to speak 😛

lol I actually thought about that right after I said it. I hoped no one would notice.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
lol I actually thought about that right after I said it. I hoped no one would notice.

Well, I remember Sersi had to give Thor gills to breathe once. But that was a long time ago. Given how many times Thor has been in space for very extended periods of time since then, I don't think he needs to breathe. But even if you didn't have to breathe in space, sound wouldn't carry anyway. So, again, that's Marvel's physics for you.

I do remember Red Hulk saying he had to hold his breathe in space, and it didn't sound like he could do it for long.

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
First, SS has to know about his weaknesses. Don't give me that bulls*** cosmic awareness argument either. Second, kryptonite from other universes won't affect him anyways, so if the SS makes any, it won't do anything to Superman. Red sunlight might give him an edge, if he could find out about it, but even that is far from a guaranteed win for the SS.

Onto Prime: If you're saying SS gets 3 shots in on Thor before Thor gets one, what do you think Prime, who's combat speed is multiple times faster than the SS, going to do? Also, considering he's literally punched his way out of the phantom zone, where exactly is he going to BFR him to?

You can't even troll right.

Why can't I use cosmic awareness when its a part of Surfer and has been shown as an ability on multiples of occasions? So you admit if Superboy Prime didn't use his speed from the Get Go, Thor can beat him 10/10? Glad we agree. So you admit Thor beats Doomsday 10/10? You are learning buddy. Magneto beats Doomsday 10/10 as well via bfr. Let's move it a step further. Surfer beats V&V Despero via bfring him in a black hole...Stardust beats him 10/10 as well (this is fun). GL Cable beats HP Doomsday by tossing him telekinetically in space. Would you like to add to this?

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
I agree with you that we should assume basic physical laws until shown otherwise. But a norse god who can survive standing inside the sun might affect the space around him in some way. But again, I can't prove it would. And if Thor doesn't have a personal forcefield, like Superman does, then I would be more inclined to agree with you, though not totally.

What are your thoughts about SS making a black hole in someone like Hal Jordan or Superman's brain? Do you agree that forcefields around them could f*** with that ability?

Lol @ you being a Superman fan. Superman doesn't even have that personal forcefield anymore. That was taken away from him YEARS AGO. Read some comics.

Like I said, the Unbinding Stone feat makes me think Thor can survive a black hole

Originally posted by carver9
Lol @ you being a Superman fan. Superman doesn't even have that personal forcefield anymore. That was taken away from him YEARS AGO. Read some comics.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

Originally posted by carver9
When you learn what CIS mean, holla at me. That's like me saying Surfer beats Superman 10/10 due to weakness exploiting when 90% of the time, he probably wouldn't even resort to this method. That's like me saying Thor beats Prime 10/10 via bfring or soul sucking. Shut the h*** up if you dont know these rules and if you do know them, be consistent about it.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Durability doesn't matter against a singularity since the gravitational forces at the event horizon are literally infinite.

CISless doesn't mean "tourney mode/make-the-characters-do-whatever-you-want".

Originally posted by Reacting2
marvel seems to forget real world physics all the time

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