Team Power Cosmic vs Team Gods

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Greg Pak confirmed that the amp Zeus received from Mikoboshi wasn't that large , and when Zeus downed the unfed , empty belly Galactus , he did so mostly under his own power .

Nrama: Here’s a nicely specific question from zvelf on our forums: “So in Chaos War #3, was that Zeus fighting Galactus or Mikaboshi fighting Galactus or did Mikaboshi only enter Zeus' body when Hercules beat Zeus?”

Van Lente: Greg?

Pak: I think that is Zeus fighting Galactus, but there is a point where Galactus says — I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.” So I think Zeus is definitely being augmented by the Chaos King. The Chaos King, as we discover — spoiler alert! — is using Zeus as a Trojan horse. So some of that incredible power that Zeus is displaying comes from the Chaos King.

At the same time, Zeus is no pushover, and it’s been a while since we’ve seen Zeus unleash his true, mighty self, and it was a ton of fun giving him a chance to do that. So don’t take it all away from him, friend. I do love my Zeus. I’m going to start saying “Zounds” more often, as a matter of fact. Just in everyday conversation.

Where did large amp come from?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That was a one-time incident(unless you count the Xavier-Skull population amped telepathic assault on him) and it only worked on him when he was starving .
Since then , his ability to feel remorse has been retconned based on both Mephisto and Adam Warlock(who tried to use the Soul Gem on him) making statements to such an effect that lead the reader is led to believe that Galactus may not even have a soul at all .

Also , while the Penance Stare and Images of Ikonn appear to have a similar effect , they work in an entirely different manner .

Xavier's assault didn't work at all, Xavier required Galactus to open his mind in order for Xavier even to show Galactus the Skrulls feelings, which Galactus just brushed off before making a telepathic assault on Xavier that wrecked his astral form, Galactus then remade his Astral form and sent Xavier back to his body.

Galactus solos the other team

Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
The Zeus that fought Galactus in Chaos War was possessed by the Chaos King. But I think Galactus just consuming one planet is probably equal to a standard Celestial, and thus I think it would down RKT.

Zeus was only at 1/2 strength b/c he didn't have his divine bolt stated in chaos war.

Then Chaos king amped Zeus slighty according to the writer.

So that makes Zeus power level ?????

Odin was able to stalemate Galactus at a not hungry but not just fed level and knock galactus out.

Odin was not knocked but merging into the destoryer however Odin was is a rough state afterwards as was clear he would lose.

RKT is above Odin At the very less a well fed Galactus and RKT are close in power level.

So i guess it would depend on the lower level guys to help to get a win So just roll the dice

Originally posted by Utrigita
Where did large amp come from?

When did I claim that he had a large amp ?

Also , thanks for proving my point :

I’m paraphrasing here — “Hey, you’re a little stronger than the average Skyfather.”

Originally posted by DarkOdin
It was a down right stupid situation .

Zeus was only at 1/2 strength b/c he didn't have his divine bolt stated in chaos war.

Then Chaos king amped Zeus slighty according to the writer.

So that makes Zeus power level ?????

Odin was able to stalemate Galactus at a not hungry but not just fed level and knock galactus out.

Odin was not knocked but merging into the destoryer however Odin was is a rough state afterwards as was clear he would lose.

RKT is above Odin At the very less a well fed Galactus and RKT are close in power level.

So i guess it would depend on the lower level guys to help to get a win So just roll the dice

It would actually depend on how well fed Galactus is . If he has devoured a minimum of 4 worlds , then I don't see RKT lasting very long in this battle .

Originally posted by Utrigita
Xavier's assault didn't work at all, Xavier required Galactus to open his mind in order for Xavier even to show Galactus the Skrulls feelings, which Galactus just brushed off before making a telepathic assault on Xavier that wrecked his astral form, Galactus then remade his Astral form and sent Xavier back to his body.

Which is why I mention , "unless" we count the Xavier Skrull incident as well , as its debatable how effective it was .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
When did I claim that he had a large amp ?

Also , thanks for proving my point :

My mistake I meant to say that Greg nowhere stated that it wasn't a large amp.

but perhaps

So I think Zeus is definitely being augmented by the Chaos King

I generally think it's worthless talking about whether the amp was large or small, all we know for certain is that the Chaos King in some way increased Zeus powerlevel beyond what they normally is, to what degree we don't know.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Which is why I mention , "unless" we count the Xavier Skrull incident as well , as its debatable how effective it was .

How can it be debatable how effectiv it is, when it was shown to have no effect at all?

Originally posted by Utrigita
My mistake I meant to say that Greg nowhere stated that it wasn't a large amp.

but perhaps means no large amp?

I generally think it's worthless talking about whether the amp was large or small, all we know for certain is that the Chaos King in some way increased Zeus powerlevel beyond what they normally is, to what degree we don't know.

Considering how in that very same quote , Pak mentions , via paraphrasing Galactus , that Zeus is a little stronger than the average skyfather , implies that while he was amped by Mikaboshi , the amp wasn't very large or significant .

Originally posted by Utrigita
How can it be debatable how effectiv it is, when it was shown to have no effect at all?

Agreed .

Galactus gives the victory to his team

Team Cosmic due to the biggest dog in this fight - Big G.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
It was a down right stupid situation .

Zeus was only at 1/2 strength b/c he didn't have his divine bolt stated in chaos war.

Then Chaos king amped Zeus slighty according to the writer.

So that makes Zeus power level ?????

Also, I find it funny how we assume Zeus was depowered from not having the bolt, yet we're supposed to assume he's only slightly amped from having thousands of Gods inside him.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
And Galactus was hungry.

Also, I find it funny how we assume Zeus was depowered from not having the bolt, yet we're supposed to assume he's only slightly amped from having thousands of Gods inside him.

Pak's logic is funny .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Considering how in that very same quote , Pak mentions , via paraphrasing Galactus , that Zeus is a little stronger than the average skyfather , implies that while he was amped by Mikaboshi , the amp wasn't very large or significant .

My point is that Pak makes absolutely no sense in regards to what level of power Zeus was amped by having the Chaos King inside him. Atleast to me "Your a bit stronger" and "definitely being augmented" isn't the same. But as you said yourself Pak's logic is funny (or completely ****ed up)

Originally posted by Utrigita
My point is that Pak makes absolutely no sense in regards to what level of power Zeus was amped by having the Chaos King inside him. Atleast to me "Your a bit stronger" and "definitely being augmented" isn't the same. But as you said yourself Pak's logic is funny (or completely ****ed up)

Agreed . And that's why , imo , Chaos War was one of the biggest flop-events ever produced by Marvel . It completely spat all over established Marvel Cosmic Continuity .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Considering how in that very same quote , Pak mentions , via paraphrasing Galactus , that Zeus is a little stronger than the average skyfather , implies that while he was amped by Mikaboshi , the amp wasn't very large or significant .

You're projecting a colloquialism of "x is a little more ____er than y" unto the panel itself, which is incorrect.

How do you know that Pak is strictly speaking in colloquial terms when he uses the phrase "a little" in regards to the Zeus encounter?

Because he wouldn't have written Galactus to be in total and complete shock about his inability to down Zeus if Pak literally meant "a little" instead of using it in a colloquial sense, a mistake that many people on this forum make.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
You're projecting a colloquialism of "x is a little more ____er than y" unto the panel itself, which is incorrect.

How do you know that Pak is strictly speaking in colloquial terms when he uses the phrase "a little" in regards to the Zeus encounter?

Because he wouldn't have written Galactus to be in [b]total and complete shock about his inability to down Zeus if Pak literally meant "a little" instead of using it in a colloquial sense, a mistake that many people on this forum make. [/B]

Tell me , how strong is Zeus in comparison to an average skyfather ?
These are your options :
1.Stronger
2.Equal
3.Weaker

Galactus would WTF Pwn Zeus.. Period.. How is that even being argued... In fact, Zeus might one shot himself on Galactus like Odin did. That said, I think RKT could beat Galactus or at least stalemate him long enough for the others to come help. I think Team PC need a little more help here.