Originally posted by NemeBro
Query: What exactly has Preacher Satan done, to put himself above Mephisto, or Thanos?What has the Angelic Host done to put them above Thanos?
What has God off his Throne done, that puts him above Thanos?
Kind of sad when being God and an angel of death of a universe isn't good enough against someone like Thanos anymore...
If religion was allowed on KMC, I bet people would start asking for proof why Thanos doesn't stomp Buddah or Yaweh too. 🙄
Originally posted by Mr Master
I have and read the whole Preacher saga.God in this universe is basically an idiot, (seriously)
and off his thrown he's vulnerable enough to kill.SOK, other than killing angels, the devil and God while off his thrown,
is all I remember SOK doing,
other than that, he killed nobodies and failed to kill anything that was "undead."SOK didn't face any Cosmics of any type that I remember,
he didn't even face heroes now that I recall.If I remember correctly, I don't think there were even heroes in that universe.
IIRC , then the author of Preacher was an atheist who basically wrote that entire series to poke fun at the (old testament?) Biblical myths and inconsistencies . Their God was not just a blithering idiot , but also an egomaniac of the highest order , and he was more or less a parody of Jehovah .
That said , considering how Thanos was able to survive the Necropsy Ritual(a process specifically meant to kill him) , I doubt SoK is doing much here(irrespective of whether or not we consider that he failed to kill a vampire) .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
That said , considering how Thanos was able to survive the Necropsy Ritual(a process specifically meant to kill him) , I doubt SoK is doing much here(irrespective of whether or not we consider that he failed to kill a vampire) .
Thanos would have died, though. That's the entire plot point behind 616 Death entering that universe.
And the only reason he didn't die, is because Death decided to be a ***** towards him and cut him off from dying.
Originally posted by cdtm
Thanos would have died, though. That's the entire plot point behind 616 Death entering that universe.And the only reason he didn't die, is because Death decided to be a ***** towards him and cut him off from dying.
Except he didn't . I originally thought that he died but was brought back by Death along with his immortality curse . However he's still talking and very much alive even after being stabbed by the Infinity Blade/Necropsy Blade . He was bruised and battered , yes .
But dead ? ❌
I have never been so torn on a debate here.
SoK killed supreme beings, but the Preacher-verse was a cynical and flawed world and story.
-Satan was a depressed thug who hated his job and was defeated in his own plane once a psychotic killer emerged in his realm and froze it.
--The Angel of Death, playing a card game with Satan is also depressed and over it gladly gives up his sword (creating the Saints six-shooters) and dies.
---God was nothing more than a thug who wasn't all-wise and loving and only seemed to care about retaining followers, who supplied him love and faith that empowered him. He resorted to dealing with psychopathic killers to do his work for him.
Gods influence on the universe was so weak. That once a demoness mated with an archangel it created a new idea called Genesis and God simply QUIT! This new idea is a sheer representation of the writers intent on how pathetic these entities are and intentions are simply AntiReligious in nature.
One has to also factor in the flaws like the Saint failing to kill-
-the Adephi angel instantly upon resurrecting him. He died after a conversation.
-and Cassidy who the writer had to defend later. Undead or not it's a poor excuse.
Now God was able to see, locate and talk to Jesse, Tulip and Cassidy whenever he wanted. But couldn't kill him. He was able to guide Jodie and T.C. to him with ease which initiated the intent to manipulate Jesse into becoming an ally to God. But Jesse wouldn't have a bar of it. My point is......
If the Saint of Killers shot Jesse would Genesis have died along with him?
And if so, why didn't Jesse's family simply tie him up whilst the Saint arrived and put a bullet in his head?
My end argument is these Almighty god figures in Preacher were cheap and don't stand up to Marvel's versions.
After reading the comments here which have helped I'm siding with Thanos. He has survived death through through methods like being killed by a Life Avatar and the Necropsy Blade. Odds are he probably survives the bullets.
And the look on the Saint's face will be priceless as Thanos pounds in to finish him. And that raises another question. SoK never took damage. But considering the saga's idea on everything having a limit...... even God. Thanos would probably bend his spine apart.
Originally posted by the ninjak
Gods influence on the universe was so weak. That once a demoness mated with an archangel it created a new idea called Genesis and God simply QUIT! This new idea is a sheer representation of the writers intent on how pathetic these entities are and intentions are simply AntiReligious in nature.
IIIRC , wasn't Genesis mentioned as being more powerful than God even as an infant ?
Also , the author of the Preacher series was an anti-theist atheist and the entire premise of those series was to mock the Old Testament representation of God as an egomaniac , and to parody the inconsistencies of Biblical myths .
Originally posted by NemeBro
Query: What exactly has Preacher Satan done, to put himself above Mephisto, or Thanos?What has the Angelic Host done to put them above Thanos?
What has God off his Throne done, that puts him above Thanos?
Because, it's just the darnest thing, I always see people post "SoK killed God, Satan, and the entire Angelic Host, he wins",
never "SoK killed God, Satan, and the entire Angelic Host, and this is impressive because..."All the SoK supporters are doing is tossing around titles without any substance.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerNo.
IIIRC , wasn't Genesis mentioned as being more powerful than God even as an infant ?Also , the author of the Preacher series was an anti-theist atheist and the entire premise of those series was to mock the Old Testament representation of God as an egomaniac , and to parody the inconsistencies of Biblical myths .
He did a pretty horrible job in that respect, I still enjoyed the series, though.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
IIIRC , wasn't Genesis mentioned as being more powerful than God even as an infant ?Also , the author of the Preacher series was an anti-theist atheist and the entire premise of those series was to mock the Old Testament representation of God as an egomaniac , and to parody the inconsistencies of Biblical myths .
And he ended up being inconsistant in the process. Great series regardless no one will deny that.
It's these inconsistencies that will lose the fight for the Saint.
And in regards to Genesis being more powerful as an infant? Well one can't call Genesis an infant, it's an idea. And at the same time being a representation of man rising up above his forefathers tribal belief systems. Genesis and the Saint were practically the same idea.
-Genesis was a new idea/truth that threatened the status quo.
-The Saint was a man whose nature, instincts and general existence was heavier than an ancient force that specialized in what he was for aeons.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Except he didn't . I originally thought that he died but was brought back by Death along with his immortality curse . However he's still talking and very much alive even after being stabbed by the Infinity Blade/Necropsy Blade . He was bruised and battered , yes .But dead ? :
Originally posted by the ninjak
I have never been so torn on a debate here.SoK killed supreme beings, but the Preacher-verse was a cynical and flawed world and story.
-Satan was a depressed thug who hated his job and was defeated in his own plane once a psychotic killer emerged in his realm and froze it.
--The Angel of Death, playing a card game with Satan is also depressed and over it gladly gives up his sword (creating the Saints six-shooters) and dies.
---God was nothing more than a thug who wasn't all-wise and loving and only seemed to care about retaining followers, who supplied him love and faith that empowered him. He resorted to dealing with psychopathic killers to do his work for him.Gods influence on the universe was so weak. That once a demoness mated with an archangel it created a new idea called Genesis and God simply QUIT! This new idea is a sheer representation of the writers intent on how pathetic these entities are and intentions are simply AntiReligious in nature.
One has to also factor in the flaws like the Saint failing to kill-
-the Adephi angel instantly upon resurrecting him. He died after a conversation.
-and Cassidy who the writer had to defend later. Undead or not it's a poor excuse.Now God was able to see, locate and talk to Jesse, Tulip and Cassidy whenever he wanted. But couldn't kill him. He was able to guide Jodie and T.C. to him with ease which initiated the intent to manipulate Jesse into becoming an ally to God. But Jesse wouldn't have a bar of it. My point is......
If the Saint of Killers shot Jesse would Genesis have died along with him?
And if so, why didn't Jesse's family simply tie him up whilst the Saint arrived and put a bullet in his head?My end argument is these Almighty god figures in Preacher were cheap and don't stand up to Marvel's versions.
After reading the comments here which have helped I'm siding with Thanos. He has survived death through through methods like being killed by a Life Avatar and the Necropsy Blade. Odds are he probably survives the bullets.
And the look on the Saint's face will be priceless as Thanos pounds in to finish him. And that raises another question. SoK never took damage. But considering the saga's idea on everything having a limit...... even God. Thanos would probably bend his spine apart.
Originally posted by cdtm
Kind of sad when being God and an angel of death of a universe isn't good enough against someone like Thanos anymore...If religion was allowed on KMC, I bet people would start asking for proof why Thanos doesn't stomp Buddah or Yaweh too. 🙄
Yahweh's/biblical God's feats aren't exactly so great you know...
He's not even Skyfather level. Hell, questionably even equal to Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by TheGodKillerNope.
Genesis was indeed mentioned as having enough power to rival or surpass God .
Originally posted by CosmicCometHe created the universe, I already proved you wrong, give it up.
Yahweh's/biblical God's feats aren't exactly so great you know...He's not even Skyfather level. Hell, questionably even equal to Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by Mindset
He created the universe, I already proved you wrong, give it up.
And yet his comprehension of the "Universe" was so limited a new idea threatened his entire existence. Hardly an all-knowing God.
God didn't even have the brains to have followers rending Jesse unconscious and allow the Saint to put a bullet in his brain. He was a thug. Nothing more.
He was just ahead of the curb. A CEO of a corrupt and dated corporation.
3 figures proved to be more powerul than he.
Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 Excellento!
Thanks. I consider that to be an honor.
Originally posted by Mindset
Nope. He created the universe, I already proved you wrong, give it up.
You didn't do shit but not understand that all he created was the Earth and 'Heavens', and took 6 days to do it, and had to rest afterward.
You are just trying to attribute our understanding of the Universe and retroactively apply it to an old book where the laws of reality were different than in actuality.
Biblical God is like any other fictional character in a book. His feats and the world he is written from has to be taken as is.
There is no 'Universe' as we know it in the Bible. Just the Earth, in the center of a small enclosed system that includes the sun, and in the Bible's verse the sun is smaller than Earth.
Originally posted by the ninjak
And yet his comprehension of the "Universe" was so limited a new idea threatened his entire existence. Hardly an all-knowing God.God didn't even have the brains to have followers rending Jesse unconscious and allow the Saint to put a bullet in his brain. He was a thug. Nothing more.
He was just ahead of the curb. A CEO of a corrupt and dated corporation.
He did inhibit The Word.
And than switched it back on, which made no sense at all..
Originally posted by the ninjakI'm talking about in the Bible.
And yet his comprehension of the "Universe" was so limited a new idea threatened his entire existence. Hardly an all-knowing God.God didn't even have the brains to have followers rending Jesse unconscious and allow the Saint to put a bullet in his brain. He was a thug. Nothing more.
He was just ahead of the curb. A CEO of a corrupt and dated corporation.3 figures proved to be more powerul than he.
Thanks. I consider that to be an honor.
Originally posted by CosmicCometI showed you were it said he created the earth, the heavens, and all the stars in the heavens. You're just stupid.
You didn't do shit but not understand that all he created was the Earth and 'Heavens', and took 6 days to do it, and had to rest afterward.You are just trying to attribute our understanding of the Universe and retroactively apply it to an old book where the laws of reality were different than in actuality.
Biblical God is like any other fictional character in a book. His feats and the world he is written from has to be taken as is.
There is no 'Universe' as we know it in the Bible. Just the Earth, in the center of a small enclosed system that includes the sun, and in the Bible's verse the sun is smaller than Earth.
Where in the Bible does it say the sun is smaller than the Earth?