Originally posted by Endless MikeSorry late to the party, but Sok shouldn't have been able to affect a lot of characters in that arc. He became the AOD with his swords converted to guns. Satan never placed his powers outside so he should have been greater than AOD and shouldn't have been able to be killed. The God on his throne had full power but that god fled because of genesis who was his equal. SoK killed Genesis so he should have been able to kill god on his throne as well. Chit didn't make sense. Going by the arc, if SoK can kill angels he should be able to kill Michael because he also killed Satan at full power.
Nope, his bullets were unable to affect God on the throne (who had the power to create 1 universe and 2 dimensions), multiversal Michael is stronger
Originally posted by Dream StuffThat doesn't mean he was even in the same zip code as Michael in terms of power. Michael just wasn't invulnerable.
Sandy, by the way, was more powerful than an average angel. He could manipulate the demiurgic power to a great extent, which he showed by creating the pocket dimension capable of hiding Michael from everyone for billions of years.
Originally posted by quanchi112
That doesn't mean he was even in the same zip code as Michael in terms of power. Michael just wasn't invulnerable.
My point is that being hurt by Sandolphon is nothing to be ashamed of. And seeing as Michael managed to walk to Yggdrasil and take shots from Lucifer before falling, I still think it's wiser to dismiss the spear incident as an uncharacteristically low-showing, or assume that a weapon carried by a powerful reality-warper for a war in heaven is more impressive than meets the eye.
Originally posted by Dream StuffNo, it isn't uncharacteristic. Michael is by far more powerful than he is but not invulnerable to attacks by far less power.
My point is that being hurt by Sandolphon is nothing to be ashamed of. And seeing as Michael managed to walk to Yggdrasil and take shots from Lucifer before falling, I still think it's wiser to dismiss the spear incident as an uncharacteristically low-showing, or assume that a weapon carried by a powerful reality-warper for a war in heaven is more impressive than meets the eye.
Michael was weakened and yes he fell before Lucifer. Michael also held back during the fight.
Throughout the series angels were formidable but we saw many other demons kill them by the scores. Michael could have beaten Sandy with a gesture but in the end my point is he isn't invulnerable.
Originally posted by quanchi112
he isn't invulnerable.
He's not invulnerable, but you still underestimate his durability.
I just remembered another durability showing. To be clear, Michael is essentially sleeping a foot away from Lucifer at the moment of the blast:
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s446/DreamStuffshare/Lucifer/dura1.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s446/DreamStuffshare/Lucifer/dura2.jpg
Tanking that blast in his sleep combined with what he endured during the events that inevitably killed him suggest that he is very durable.
The fact that Sandy could hurt him is a feat for Sandy that I wouldn't expect just any strong guy with any spear to replicate. You really think that's unreasonable?
Originally posted by Dream StuffI never said Michael's skin was thin as paper I just don't see him surviving a bullet designed to kill any being in his reality save the supreme being when far less has hurt/defeated him.
He's not invulnerable, but you still underestimate his durability.I just remembered another durability showing. To be clear, Michael is essentially sleeping a foot away from Lucifer at the moment of the blast:
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s446/DreamStuffshare/Lucifer/dura1.jpg
http://i1052.photobucket.com/albums/s446/DreamStuffshare/Lucifer/dura2.jpgTanking that blast in his sleep combined with what he endured during the events that inevitably killed him suggest that he is very durable.
The fact that Sandy could hurt him is a feat for Sandy that I wouldn't expect just any strong guy with any spear to replicate. You really think that's unreasonable?
I wouldn't call being hurt by heaven tech a "low showing" for anyone. That's like saying Spectre being hurt by the Spear or Destiny is some kind of low showing..
Heavenly swords killed everything from gods to demons to other angels, and severely injured various incarnations of Spectre. A sword or spear from heaven would probably take down Juggernaut or high cosmics like Eternity.
Originally posted by lilshogun
SOK can kill it's god but not in DC.
As to the thread, Michael CRUSHES him.
Originally posted by cdtmThe spear of destiny is another matter altogether but the spear hurting him shows something far less powerful than he is can defeat him. That's not debatable.
I wouldn't call being hurt by heaven tech a "low showing" for anyone. That's like saying Spectre being hurt by the Spear or Destiny is some kind of low showing..Heavenly swords killed everything from gods to demons to other angels, and severely injured various incarnations of Spectre. A sword or spear from heaven would probably take down Juggernaut or high cosmics like Eternity.
Originally posted by quanchi112
The spear of destiny is another matter altogether but the spear hurting him shows something far less powerful than he is can defeat him. That's not debatable.
The angel didn't hurt him. His weapon did, and from behind.
Obviously, given the track record of angelic weapons, they're simply that powerful. As you'd expect, from those that instill god like power in tarot cards.
Originally posted by zopzop
He couldn't even do that. Idiot Preacherverse God wasn't on his throne and thus vulnerable.
http://www.comicvine.com/saint-of-killers/29-10522/saint-of-killers-vs-god-what-the-experts-dont-tell-you/92-414858/
Why idiot Preachervese God leaves most of his power in/on his throne is a question that was never answered.As to the thread, Michael CRUSHES him.
Then how was he able to kill genesis? who was equal or even greater than the peacherverse god. It was because of genesis that he fled this throne and actually manipulated AOD and Satan to bring about the SOK so that he could kill genesis. If SOK can kill genesis, he can kill his god on his throne. I agree, it's bs, they said that if god got to his throne he would defeat sok, but they forgot that sok already killed someone who was equal to god on his throne. Either way SOK killed angels left and right, Michael is an angel so would lose, unless the preacher god was like the children of MOM who were planetary beings.
Originally posted by Diesldude👆
Then how was he able to kill genesis? who was equal or even greater than the peacherverse god. It was because of genesis that he fled this throne and actually manipulated AOD and Satan to bring about the SOK so that he could kill genesis. If SOK can kill genesis, he can kill his god on his throne. I agree, it's bs, they said that if god got to his throne he would defeat sok, but they forgot that sok already killed someone who was equal to god on his throne.
