He's pretty obscure, so not surprised no one's heard of him. I only know of him because I've been gorging on 1970's Marvel martial arts lately. 😄
Basically, he's Shangs peer in every way.. He's not a villain, he's just another Martial Arts master who happened to run into Shang Chi a number of times, and whom Shang could not defeat, or vice versa.
Not sure what a good analogy would be, but the bottom line is the two are so evenly matched, that they would have ended up killing each other.
Here's some of his best feats:
It may not be much, but it's quality over quantity. 😉
Believing Cap wins, I have no problem with. But there's no reasonable way he's taking more than a slim margin over someone Shang Chi couldn't beat. Not any more than Cap takes more than a slim margin over Shang Chi himself, one of the top five martial artists in Marvel (If not THE top martial artist.)
He defeated Danny due to surprise. In the rematch a focused Danny defeated him rather easily as also did Taskmaster.
Either way Cap wins more then the Cat. Plus I'm not impressed with his victory over Deadpools since Wade practically worships him.
There's no reasonable way the Cat is taking a slim margin over Cap even if you disagree with my 7-8/10 majority stance.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
He defeated Danny due to surprise.
Translation: He outfought Danny.
Danny made the slightest mistake, in the middle of a confrontation, and got blitzed. Black Panther had far more extensive, and cheaper, openings, and couldn't put him down with his attacks.
Before unlike vs Panther, before the distraction they were dead even.
wow people here are nuts, captain america easily takes him out, and yes captain america vs shang chi will go the same way, both cat and shang are very skilled however they are facing someone who not only can match their skill level but basically got all stats to much higher degree, cap doesnt tire out but cat will tire, with the shield its an overkill for cap he can basically just hold his shield and let cat break his arms trying to punch it Lol
P.S the revamped Captain america thread is more than half done, i actually took all my cap comics and ordered from ebay others that i dont have just for that, i devided it not only into strength,fighting skills, speed, reflex, durability,stamina, shield showings, leadership showings, other skill showings, but i also devided it into timeline groups, i am basically putting all his feats into those categories from the 60s the 70s the 80s the 90s the 2000s and from 2010 and so on, so people could also see the difference from lets say his 70s strength feats and his more recent strength feats and that way people can also more easily compare how he was portrayed thruought the years and what are the changes, puting a lot of time money and effort into this hope you will like it.
Originally posted by red sabreThat's awesome. Hope its good.
wow people here are nuts, captain america easily takes him out, and yes captain america vs shang chi will go the same way, both cat and shang are very skilled however they are facing someone who not only can match their skill level but basically got all stats to much higher degree, cap doesnt tire out but cat will tire, with the shield its an overkill for cap he can basically just hold his shield and let cat break his arms trying to punch it LolP.S the revamped Captain america thread is more than half done, i actually took all my cap comics and ordered from ebay others that i dont have just for that, i devided it not only into strength,fighting skills, speed, reflex, durability,stamina, shield showings, leadership showings, other skill showings, but i also devided it into timeline groups, i am basically putting all his feats into those categories from the 60s the 70s the 80s the 90s the 2000s and from 2010 and so on, so people could also see the difference from lets say his 70s strength feats and his more recent strength feats and that way people can also more easily compare how he was portrayed thruought the years and what are the changes, puting a lot of time money and effort into this hope you will like it.
Originally posted by cdtm
Also, what rematch? The v1 Heroes for Hire series only went for 19 issues and one annual, and I'm pretty sure issue 11 is the only time they meet..In 12, Danny has a rematch with one of the villains, who also matches him in martial arts, but it's not Cat.
LOL that you didn't know Danny re-fought the Cat and defeated him easily.
Originally posted by cdtm
Translation: He outfought Danny.Danny made the slightest mistake, in the middle of a confrontation, and got blitzed. Black Panther had far more extensive, and cheaper, openings, and couldn't put him down with his attacks.
Before unlike vs Panther, before the distraction they were dead even.
Translation: He won with circumstances.
Danny wouldn't normally make that mistake. Hence the rematch he didn't and won easily.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL that you didn't know Danny re-fought the Cat and defeated him easily.
Because you're the most credible source, and not prone to bias. Riiiight.
Based on your posting history, I'm calling for issue and/or scan, or it didn't happen.
I have all 19 issues, and I'm not seeing this rematch. The fight happens in 11, the team gets captured by Silver Sables team, they talk through the misunderstanding that lead to the fight in the first place, and we never see Cat again.
Originally posted by cdtm
Because you're the most credible source, and not prone to bias. Riiiight.Based on your posting history, I'm calling for issue and/or scan, or it didn't happen.
I have all 19 issues, and I'm not seeing this rematch. The fight happens in 11, and we never see Cat again after he beats Danny, up to the end of the series.
Too bad for you then. Not my fault you don't have the fight Danny even mentions he only lost to the Cat due to being distracted and then goes on to defeat the Cat...LOL. Danny ended it with a high kick to boot.
And I see how you ignore Taskmaster defeating the Cat as well.
Originally posted by cdtm
And regardless of any supposed "rematch", you're ignoring that Black Panther, who could certainly hang with Cap in a fight, could not beat Danny down at all. With multiple distractions.Nor, could Shang Chi beat Cat.
That fight between BP and Danny is different. That Danny would have wreaked the Cat. The Danny that defeated Cat easily wasn't trying to kill the Cat, like BP. Lucky for the Cat.
The Danny that was fighting BP was trying to kill the BP...LOL. While BP was in character the fact that BP could do what he did to Danny in that state is incredibly impressive.
Speaking about Bias? Coming from you that is a laugh.
Originally posted by Daredevil1
Too bad for you then. Not my fault you don't have the fight
Neither do you, because there is no "other fight". I can't find a single website, post, or wiki on Cat that doesn't mention one, and ONLY one fight between Danny Rand and Shen Kuei.
You, my friend, are making shit up.
Danny even mentions he only lost to the Cat due to being distracted...LOL.
Danny didn't say that. But it's an easy mistake to make.. Not like the SCANS ARE RIGHT IN THIS THREAD.
And I see how you ignore Taskmaster defeating the Cat as well. [/B]
Forgive me for not taking your word on it, but I'd like to see this for myself, since your memory is so bad you can't even remember details from scans that are posted right in front of you.
Post the scans, or give the issue numbers.
