Originally posted by Daredevil1
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Poor cdtm
Cat is great by defeating a distracted Danny.
And yet Danny straight up owns the Cat.
And he compares this fight to BP vs Danny...LOL.
Bias and doesn't know all about Cat's record.
And yes taskmaster defeated the Cat easily as well.
Originally posted by cdtm
Neither do you, because there is no "other fight". I can't find a single website, post, or wiki on Cat that doesn't mention one, and ONLY one fight between Danny Rand and Shen Kuei.You, my friend, are making shit up.
Danny didn't say that. But it's an easy mistake to make.. Not like the [b]SCANS ARE RIGHT IN THIS THREAD.
Forgive me for not taking your word on it, but I'd like to see this for myself, since your memory is so bad you can't even remember details from scans that are posted right in front of you.
Post the scans, or give the issue numbers. [/B]
I'm not making up anything. Danny owned Cat without circumstances. Circumstances that you use for a Cat win...LOL.
Cap 7-8/10
DD, you should have posted the scans in the first place. That's how debating works.. Going the "LOL, I know something you don't know" route makes YOU look bad, not me.
But props for finally posting them. Yeah, those do make Danny look quite a bit above Cat. Do you know what comic this happens in?
Wonder what that says about how Danny stacks up against Shang Chi than? The two never really had many fights.. Their big one was back in a 1970's "Deadly Hands" black and white comic, but it's possible Danny could have gotten better than him since (And Shang did "retire" for awhile..)
Originally posted by cdtmCap always had Wade's number? They only fought twice. And it didnt go too well for Cap. As for the fight with Cat.. Deadpool is almost gay for him, so CIS was involved. I think Cap takes this.
Siding with Shen Kuei.Blitzing Danny f'n Rand alone would be enough, but handling Deadpool so easily cinches it. Cap's always had Wades number, but he's never taken him down as casually as Cat did.
Originally posted by SamZED
Cap always had Wade's number? They only fought twice. And it didnt go too well for Cap. As for the fight with Cat.. Deadpool is almost gay for him, so CIS was involved. I think Cap takes this.
Wades last fight with Cap was under Daniel Way, wasn't it?
I know Way has a bad rep when it comes to healing factors, but he always seemed to right a fairly formidable Deadpool, and Cap basically dominated the fight, brief though it was..
Anyways, like I said earlier, even discounting Cat vs Deadpool, his early history is that of a martial artist on par with Shang Chi.
And while it's true he only beat Iron Fist on a distraction, he also seemed to match his skills. So with this history in mind, it looks like Shang = Cat = Danny on raw skill, up until we get to that second fight Daredevil posted where Danny basically punks him.
And I have absolutely no problem with Danny beating Cat, or even Shang Chi, on pure skill. But that "was" kind of easier than I think it should have been... I can't comment much more on that until I read the comic for myself though.
At this point though, I'm wondering if I overestimated the board consensus on how Shang Chi and Captain America stack up with each other.. I realize we have a segment that holds Wolverine in higher esteem than martial artists like Danny or Shang, and some feel that Captain America and Wolverine represent the very top of the martial arts tier in Marvel, and maybe in all comics, but I always figured them as a vocal minority.. (And I DO believe Wolverine, and of course Cap, is highly skilled in martial arts.)
Originally posted by cdtmYes, it was him. Way has his moments with Wade but usually his Deadpool isn't very impressive. In a recent issue he barely survived an ambush from Paste Pot Pete.
Wades last fight with Cap was under Daniel Way, wasn't it?I know Way has a bad rep when it comes to healing factors, but he always seemed to right a fairly formidable Deadpool, and Cap basically dominated the fight, brief though it was..
Anyways, like I said earlier, even discounting Cat vs Deadpool, his early history is that of a martial artist on par with Shang Chi.
And while it's true he only beat Iron Fist on a distraction, he also seemed to match his skills. So with this history in mind, it looks like Shang = Cat = Danny on raw skill, up until we get to that second fight Daredevil posted where Danny basically punks him.
And I have absolutely no problem with Danny beating Cat, or even Shang Chi, on pure skill. But that "was" kind of easier than I think it should have been... I can't comment much more on that until I read the comic for myself though.
At this point though, I'm wondering if I overestimated the board consensus on how Shang Chi and Captain America stack up with each other.. I realize we have a segment that holds Wolverine in higher esteem than martial artists like Danny or Shang, and some feel that Captain America and Wolverine represent the very top of the martial arts tier in Marvel, and maybe in all comics, but I always figured them as a vocal minority.. (And I DO believe Wolverine, and of course Cap, is highly skilled in martial arts.)
In their last fight DP wasn't fighting back though so it's hard to determine a winner. Their first fight ended with Deadpool's hand on Steve's neck and they seemd pretty close skill wise. DP even let Steve take some free shots. There was another short encounter in DP's first mini but it was so short and so full of CIS that it's not worth mentioning.
Im not arguing that Cat is on Shang's level of skill (and so must be Cap's peer) but Steve is physically superior and has more showings as well as impressive victories. That should count for something.
Originally posted by cdtm
At this point though, I'm wondering if I overestimated the board consensus on how Shang Chi and Captain America stack up with each other
Yeah, I think Cap is a touch above Shang, actually. Shang is somewhat faster (when he wore those bracers he was blocking bullets like wonder woman) but not stronger, and cap is absurdly durable. Skill is a toss up.
Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Shang is somewhat faster (when he wore those bracers he was blocking bullets
dude are you still on with that crap? saying character A is faster than Cap because he can block bullets? was i talking to a wall when i gave you cap feats and showed you Cap outracing a bullet after it was shot and deflect it? or when i gave you random feats of cap dodging and avoiding bullets? avoiding 3 bullets shot at him at the same time? doing a matrix thing? and you try to tell me that holding your arms to the direction the bullets are fired is >>> all that? really? really??
