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Again, I think that remains to be seen. The drones were being used before he came into office AFAIK, he only ramped up their usage, probably because it's a great way to win brownie points on both sides.

By pulling troops out of the wars, he's "keeping his promise" to the democratic/liberal side. By ramping up drone strikes he's telling the other side of the spectrum that he has no intention of "going easy" on the terrorists.

But again, this isn't a war he started, it's one he's just decided to continue.

Seeing your reply to Ini above, to answer your question, yes. By continuing the war, he's "consolidating his power". By your logic, any time a politician does something politically motivated, he's consolidating his power.

In the context of the overarching discussion however, no it's not the same thing.

Originally posted by dadudemon
My question was rhetorical and the answer was, "yes". Adding more information to the content of my question and then answering that new question does not actually answer my question.

well, then I would say no, because his drone policy has been one of the things Obama has been criticized for from within his own party. I can't imagine anyone who was going to vote republican is now voting for Obama because of the drone policy, however, there have been numerous political commentators I've seen who are actively seeking other politicians to vote for, citing the drone policy as one of the main reasons (along with refusing to prosecute the banks, gitmo, etc). TYT has had at least a couple of debates about this issue, with the only reason some of them will continue to support Obama being, "Romney would be worse".

like, what power do you think the drones have specifically consolidated for him? The NDAA wasn't because of the drones. Sure, I'm with you, Obama has consolidated in law what were powers previous administrations sort of utilized in a grey legal zone, I don't think the drones are the cause.

*it is probably also pertinent to point out, Obama isn't in charge of all of the drones. The CIA controls the vast majority, while the army has a few of their own, and domestic law enforcement is starting to use them.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
any time a politician does something politically motivated, he's consolidating his power.

And you think they aren't? 😬 Laaaaaaame.

It is all a power-bid and power struggle. The more consolidated one's power is, the easier is it to not only get re-elected, but to actually get shit done.

Originally posted by inimalist
I can't imagine anyone who was going to vote republican is now voting for Obama because of the drone policy,

Probably moderates and fence sitting conservatives.

Originally posted by inimalist
like, what power do you think the drones have specifically consolidated for him?

Let's back up: where did I say his drone usage consolidated his power?

Originally posted by dadudemon
And you think they aren't? 😬 Laaaaaaame.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Let's back up: where did I say his drone usage consolidated his power?

good talking with you again

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I do. However, that logic isn't relevant to the context of the discussion.

Actually, it is.

Many claim that the "Obamacare" is just another ploy for his re-election resume. Seems to have gotten better as time goes by: many people are starting to see the benefits from Obamacare and it is at its highest public approval since it's creation, right now.

Excellent power-plots on Obama's Team's part.

I read an article that outlined a shift of power towards the executive branch in both the Bush and the Obama administrations. If I can be arsed tomorrow, I will post it. Shows that Obama and his team have been working very hard to consolidate and gain even more power since the Bush administration.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Actually, it is.

Many claim that the "Obamacare" is just another ploy for his re-election resume. Seems to have gotten better as time goes by: many people are starting to see the benefits from Obamacare and it is at its highest public approval since it's creation, right now.

Excellent power-plots on Obama's Team's part.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
What does that have to do with the assertion that Obama blowing up terrorists with drones is the equivalent of Hitler killing his political rivals for power?

Please quote me where I said, "Obama blowing up terrorists with drones is the equivalent of Hitler killing his political rivals for power".

Go ahead. I'll stay awake for another 10 minutes to see if you can find that.

Originally posted by inimalist
good talking with you again

Originally posted by inimalist
good talking with you again

"nice talking to you". haha!

"ZOMG! Liek, you think a single drone strike consolidated Obamaz powah!"

No. That's obviously stupid. I do not think that.

Here's what I said:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Does "using that kill as part of a setup up for a second election" count as consolidating his power?

Keyword there is "part".

Nowhere did I state that the single drone kill of Anwar al-Awlaki consolidated all of his power, like you're trying to paint. Admit it: that's just stupid.

Clearly, from my conversation with Blaxican, you can see that other "parts" are the killing of Osama Bin Laden. Still, another part, as seen with my convo with Blaxican, is "Obamacare".

It's a bit lame when people, like you, try to misrepresent an argument to make it look dumb, and then argue against that argument, and gawk at it with an arrogant attitude. If you want to have a conversation, cool: actually have one. But don't change other people's points, argue against that changed point, and then use an arrogant attitude of false-triumph as though it were legit. 😉

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican

Sorry, you don't get to pretend you had a legitimate point.

I never once said "Obama blowing up terrorists with drones is the equivalent of Hitler killing his political rivals for power".

You should post a troll-meme now about not having read my posts or how you ignored it.

lol

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
lol

😆

So where's the new picture? I save those so I can troll people on facebook.

Originally posted by dadudemon
😆

So where's the new picture? I save those so I can troll people on facebook.

Problemo Gringo?

Rhetorically ask if Obama was consolidating his power.
Insist that the answer is yes.
Flip out when people say you said Obama was consolidating his power.

Just another day with dadude.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Rhetorically ask if Obama was consolidating his power.
Insist that the answer is yes.
Flip out when people say you said Obama was consolidating his power.

Just another day with dadude.

Correction:

Rhetorically ask if Obama's use of a drone for a specific kill was 'part of a setup up for a second election.'
Get an answer to a question he did not ask.
Point out when my position was misrepresented and claims of posts I clearly did not make.

The "people" throw a fit and refuse to discuss the topic further when it's obvious they used strawman arguments.

Just another day with KMC and their strawman tactics."

And I clearly did not "flip-out". But if it makes you feel better to think people "flip-out", like you do at times, I'll pretend I had roid rage or something.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Except that they're not his political enemies, which was the entire point of the Knight of the Long Knives. There's no comparison.

Except for him not scapegoating Muslims at all.

I mentioned that it was a different context in my post, but it's achieving the same consolidation of power to believe anything Obama says, mirror his attitude (the media against Assange) and ignore blatant assassinations without charges. To do that overtly to political opponents would draw comparisons to what Hitler did, like I said.

There are many other ways which are far more discreet and one which is used extensively in political battles in the US is discreditation which can then lead on to imprisonment if the scandal is criminal. Therefore no violence is needed. Failing that assassination, which has happened in the US many, many times before and no matter who performed those assassinations the fact they took out (or tried to) politicians makes a very strong case for the attitude of a society that shapes it's future with murder.

Oh really? Don't you think Muslims were and still are the number one ethnic group to watch after 9/11 and 7/7 all because of what we were told they did? I'm sure many of them do feel under the watch of the various US/UK organisations for no other reasons other that they are Muslim. Obama is simply carrying on that narrative.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lulz.

Killing foreigners and one expat who have no stake in government while said people are in combat zones and/or countries a world away from the capital is not at all similar to Hitler's thugs murdering his political opponents in the streets of the nation's second city.

I'm sure Hitler justified his actions as war too..

And, just to be clear, cold-blooded murder of a US citizen is okay as long it's far away from the US?

Originally posted by inimalist
I think the overwhelming problem with this logic is that you are trying to shoehorn anything you can possibly think of as authoritarianism into some Hitlerian model. like, aside from the fact I just outright disagree with your comparison, the underlying logic seems to be: "Obama is bad because he is like hitler", rather than criticizing the things you mentioned as being abuses in their own right. idk, I just feel you lose an important level of nuance this way, and it severely weakens your argument when the facts don't hold
up (ie: Obama has no brownshirts to fear the political power of)

So because I'm drawing comparisons between them, you don't like it?

I have said that he is not overt in what he does, it's more subtle, he's not going to go around parading in military uniform gesticulating like a lunatic because that would draw direct comparisons. He doesn't have brownshirts but I'm sure the Occupy protestors might have something to say about the treatment they've received for,you know, exercising their right for free speech.

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
And, on an aside, inB4 Shadow Z gets butthurt about "multiple people screaming at him".

😄

Nice catch. I left that particular thread because of that yes, it can be disconcerting to have 4-5 members who agree with each other all the time having the same opinion against me. I quote one of them and the rest appear like magic.

I realise this has been going off topic for a while now so for that reason I think I'l leave it there, I've said all I wanted to say.