Odin runs the Trans Tier/Low Skyfather gauntlet...

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman, Thor, and Hulk and others in their tier can bust planets with various degrees of ease, but a lot of the time in their fights, collateral damage doesn't go beyond an entire city. Doesn't mean they can't bust planets or the times they have or have come close to it should be PIS.

Odin just has extremely high end feats; he's likely the epitome of the Skyfather tier.

IF Marvel has been trying to push the idea that their gods are powered by human faith(they did that in response to enraged fans after Thor 300 came out) , then that doesn't even make sense because the Hindu pantheon is the only surviving pagan religion with nearly 1/6th of the population as worshipers while guys like Odin and Zeus have.......none .

Odin busting a thousand galaxies with a wave of his hand wouldn't be a hundredth as impressive as wiping out a tenth of the universe.

Cube beings happen to have universal+ feats.

Where is the inconsistency?

Frankly, Murder, the only problem is your inability to appreciate the scale being discussed.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Superman, Thor, and Hulk and others in their tier can bust planets with various degrees of ease, but a lot of the time in their fights, collateral damage doesn't go beyond an entire city. Doesn't mean they can't bust planets or the times they have or have come close to it should be PIS.

Odin just has extremely high end feats; he's likely the epitome of the Skyfather tier.

I think its PIS if its way beyond the norm for a given character; 99% of the time no High Herald is a planet buster...not even close to being one.

Even though he is seemingly the highest of the high when it comes to Skyfathers, Odin is no different; a very large amount of the time, Odin is no where near a Galaxy Buster...

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
IF Marvel has been trying to push the idea that their gods are powered by human faith(they did that in response to enraged fans after Thor 300 came out) , then that doesn't even make sense because the Hindu pantheon is the only surviving pagan religion with nearly 1/6th of the population as worshipers while guys like Odin and Zeus have.......none .

Originally posted by NemeBro
There are actually still people alive who worship the Norse gods. Not sure about Greek.

How many are there compared to 999 million Hindus ?
Not to mention that South Asian and Middle Eastern people are generally much more deeply religious than their western counterparts . The vast legions of religious fanatics and fundamentalist terrorists that these regions produce on a daily basis is proof of that .

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I think its PIS if its way beyond the norm for a given character; 99% of the time no High Herald is a planet buster...not even close to being one.

Even though he is seemingly the highest of the high when it comes to Skyfathers, Odin is no different; a very large amount of the time, Odin is no where near a Galaxy Buster...

High end feats =/= the norm. That's why they're high end feats. Doesn't make them PIS.

Faith doesn't have that much of a significant factor on the gods in Marvel. If anything, it just effects how much influence they can have on the populace of the planet and direct involvement in "mortal affairs" , but most of it seems self imposed. Odin and the Asgardians withdrew from Midgardian affairs after mortals perverted their names in the form of violent viking attacks and the spreading of Christianity and other faiths.

Most of Odin's best feats, chronologically speaking, take place well after the Norse gods are mostly considered to be myths.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Odin busting a thousand galaxies with a wave of his hand wouldn't be a hundredth as impressive as wiping out a tenth of the universe.

Cube beings happen to have universal+ feats.

Where is the inconsistency?

Frankly, Murder, the only problem is your inability to appreciate the scale being discussed.

I appreciate the scale of things very well and thats exactly why I cant accept Odin being a Galaxy Buster...

Celestials are alledgedly "several oders of magnitude" beyond Cube Beings (I think Kubiks feat is PIS as well btw) and since a Cube Being can reality warp on a universal scale I guess a lone Celestial could effortlessly reality warp no less than 100 resisting universes...

Sounds very PIS'y...doesnt it? Why? Because it is...

Cube Beings arent that strong and Celestials definitely arent that strong...

Before you accept a high end feat as not being saturated with PIS, think hard about what it means for the Tiers of Power beyond a given character before reaching your decision...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I appreciate the scale of things very well and thats exactly why I cant accept Odin being a Galaxy Buster...

Celestials are alledgedly "several oders of magnitude" beyond Cube Beings (I think Kubiks feat is PIS as well btw) and since a Cube Being can reality warp on a universal scale I guess a lone Celestial could effortlessly reality warp no less than 100 resisting universes...

Sounds very PIS'y...doesnt it? Why? Because it is...

Cube Beings arent that strong and Celestials definitely arent that strong...

Before you accept a high end feat as not being saturated with PIS, think hard about what it means for the Tiers of Power beyond a given character before reaching your decision...

IIRC , then in F4#582 , Franklin Richards managed to briefly hold the collapse of all realities into a single time-stream , and he's been described as being the equal of a 616-Celestial .

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
High end feats =/= the norm. That's why they're high end feats. Doesn't make them PIS.

The high end feat in question (Galaxy Busting) is so ridiculously far beyond the norm that I think it definitely makes it PIS...

You dont think Odin busting 1 trillion+ planets, 1 billion+ stars, and god knows how many black holes, comets, and other various objects is not PIS?

On average he is nowhere near this strong; he certainly didnt demostrate 1/10000000000000000 of the power needed to do that when he fought Thanos or Surtur...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
The high end feat in question (Galaxy Busting) is so ridiculously far beyond the norm that I think it definitely makes it PIS...

You dont think Odin busting 1 trillion+ planets, 1 billion+ stars, and god knows how many black holes, comets, and other various objects is not PIS?

On average he is nowhere near this strong; he certainly didnt demostrate 1/10000000000000000 of the power needed to do when he fought Thanos or Surtur...

Surtur himself has been portrayed as a galaxy buster , so that point is moot .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
IIRC , then in F4#582 , Franklin Richards managed to briefly hold the collapse of all realities into a single time-stream , and he's been described as being the equal of a 616-Celestial .

That doesnt scream PIS to you? A lone Celestial level being shoring up the omniverse?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Surtur himself has been portrayed as a galaxy buster , so that point is moot .

On one single occasion did Surtur do this...

And that lone feat is far, far, far, beyond his norm...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
I appreciate the scale of things very well and thats exactly why I cant accept Odin being a Galaxy Buster...

Celestials are alledgedly "several oders of magnitude" beyond Cube Beings (I think Kubiks feat is PIS as well btw) and since a Cube Being can reality warp on a universal scale I guess a lone Celestial could effortlessly reality warp no less than 100 resisting universes...

Sounds very PIS'y...doesnt it? Why? Because it is...

Cube Beings arent that strong and Celestials definitely arent that strong...

Before you accept a high end feat as not being saturated with PIS, think hard about what it means for the Tiers of Power beyond a given character before reaching your decision...

You know I agree with you on this 100% LoM, but we just have to accept things the way they are at Marvel. The idiot moron that thought a Skyfather (one of MANY) is a galaxy busting level character, should be dragged into the street and beaten until he repented.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
That doesnt scream PIS to you? A lone Celestial level being shoring up the omniverse?

And where does that place beings supposedly above Celestials like Eternity, Infinity, the Infinites, the Living Tribunal, etc...? Trans Omniversal?

😂

Wow.

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
That doesnt scream PIS to you? A lone Celestial level being shoring up the omniverse?

Mad Jim Jaspers being explicitly described as being an omniversal level power should also be PIS then .

And I think it was only the multiverse , not the omniverse .

Edit : you should know it by now that Marvel has developed a penchant for being grossly inconsistent with character feats and portrayal. Just look at what Fraction did to Thor's characterization . He butchered it . Sometimes I can't help but think that Marvel does what it does just to spite their fans . And Brevoort's proud proclamation that the AVX event was gonna piss off many(which is exactly what it did) is proof of that .

Originally posted by zopzop
+1000000000^100

You know I agree with you on this 100% LoM, but we just have to accept things the way they are at Marvel. The idiot moron that thought a Skyfather (one of MANY) is a galaxy busting level character, should be dragged into the street and beaten until he repented.

👆

Originally posted by zopzop
LOL exactly!

And where does that place beings supposedly above Celestials like Eternity, Infinity, the Infinites, the Living Tribunal, etc...? Trans Omniversal?

I whole heartedly agree...

👆

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Mad Jim Jaspers being explicitly described as being an omniversal level power should also be PIS then .

And I think it was only the multiverse , not the omniverse .

Edit : you should know it by now that Marvel has developed a penchant for being grossly inconsistent with character feats and portrayal. Just look at what Fraction did to Thor's characterization . He butchered it . Sometimes I can't help but think that Marvel does what it does just to spite their fans . And Brevoort's proud proclamation that the AVX event was gonna piss off many(which is exactly what it did) is proof of that .

Even if it was the multiverse, that is too extreme for a mere Celestial level character...

But yeah, I agree with you about the inconsistancies; it almost seems as consistency and logic have no place in a Marvel Comic...