Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Am interested to know what the forum thinks on this. If a thread is about a specific character (in this case, WW Hulk), are other versions of the character allowed (WB Hulk)?Its a bit of a problem, because obviously Hulk can amp his strength, and therefore, WW Hulk can then become WB Hulk, and this thread becomes WB Hulk vs Snowbird.
World Breaker Hulk is WW Hulk who was called the Green Scar, and later the Green King. Same character.
So where would you draw the line?
Green Scar/WW Hulk didn't show anywhere near the same amounts of strength and energy projection that WB Hulk did. He didn't crack the continental plate till after Miek had told him what he'd done, when he went Worldbreaker mode.
Personally, I see them as different personas and different power levels. Similar to how we don't toss out sun-amped OWAW Superman in every match, or Fernus the Burning in every Martian Manhunter match, or Voidtry in every Sentry match...
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So where would you draw the line?Green Scar/WW Hulk didn't show anywhere near the same amounts of strength and energy projection that WB Hulk did. He didn't crack the continental plate till after Miek had told him what he'd done, when he went Worldbreaker mode.
Personally, I see them as different personas and different power levels. Similar to how we don't toss out sun-amped OWAW Superman in every match, or Fernus the Burning in every Martian Manhunter match, or Voidtry in every Sentry match...
That's it, there isn't a line to draw, it was always about whether Bruce was willing to release the energy that was his to command. Banner knew pretty much what he could do as he is the top mind behind gamma technology. He knew what the Hulk could do as most drivers know what their cars can do. This isn't a noobie character like little Snowflake in the corner. If the bell rings and the Hulk jumps to World breaker level in instants, hurtles toward Snowbird, he would instantly turn her into a button.
They are the same character, Bruce is not a murderer, which is why he held back while on Earth. If you don't get it, you should reread Planet Hulk up until, HOTM.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I did read the Hulk storylines - granted, this makes me no expert, but I got the general gist of it.Again, its kinda like Martian Manhunter undoing the genetic locks and being able to access the Burning Martian, or Sentry giving into the Void.
But yes, I can see your point.
The only difference is that it was Bruce's mind in control the entire time. All of the above transcend the High Herald rating, as power is power. I have just never once seen Snowbird go off of the charts, not when the Collective was greater in power. Sentry was able to challenge the Collective, and was BFR'd because he may have been overtaking him/them.
The Hulk held back the entire time. The idea that it didn't end with a revenge stomp the moment he arrived, was in itself CIS as in Bruce in character. CIS off Snowflake is doomed.
Originally posted by Konton
Snowbird also has magical insight so she isn't likely to be blitzed. Aside from her morphing she has magical attacks to beat Hulk from range. She one-shotted that powered up evil god in Chaos War with a magic kamehameha-like blast
You have no idea do you? In order for two humanoid sized objects to gain the mass to displace planetary objects means that they had to have been travelling at superluminal speeds. Snowflake is dead if CIS if off.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I did read the Hulk storylines - granted, this makes me no expert, but I got the general gist of it.Again, its kinda like Martian Manhunter undoing the genetic locks and being able to access the Burning Martian, or Sentry giving into the Void.
But yes, I can see your point.
You missed a lot.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Like?All I did was ask what the forum thought when a thread is created specifically naming WWH, whether WBH is allowed as well. Otherwise, why even specify?
If you go back and look at HOTM, can you tell me when the Hulk began amping, and how long you think it took for him to get to world breaking levels? To me it to be a appeared seamless transition, and nothing like previous Hulk incarnations were capable of. During the last quarter of Planet Hulk, the Hulk could tap into enough power to enable him to destroy a planet, and was thus named the World Breaker of Sakaar's prophesies. He was the same character the entire time.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I don't see Banner going WBH level ever again. At least not given the pre-req behind him really going all out.
You're likely right, unless he goes to some dimension that has no innocents to threaten. Hell would probably be the only place imo.
I'm obviously talking about the WBH that was fighting Red Shulk and obliterated a planet as a result. I don't see Hulk doing stuff like that again. Not saying that he cannot, carv. Just saying that it is unlikely.
As for this fight I don't know. I'm the same as Jake. Apparentely Hulk gets creamed LOL. Still wouldn't WWH be enough to match Snowbird?
*Puts on flame shield*
Originally posted by Zack Fair
I'm obviously talking about the WBH that was fighting Red Shulk and obliterated a planet as a result. I don't see Hulk doing stuff like that again. Not saying that he cannot, carv. Just saying that it is unlikely.As for this fight I don't know. I'm the same as Jake. Apparentely Hulk gets creamed LOL. Still wouldn't WWH be enough to match Snowbird?
*Puts on flame shield*
I wasn't talking about you, talking about Dark. WWH stomps this by the way.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't think he read HOTM or the 3 other times before that when WWH went World Breaker.
I did, but my reasoning is this:
You and Stoic (and indeed, everyone else) all agree that there is such a thing as 'World Breaker Hulk'. It is distinct, and is a different level. We all agree on that. In fact, you can even number the occasions he went WBH.
I am not disputing it. What I am disputing, or maybe asking is the better word, is that as we can all agree that is a separate power level, whether it can be used when a thread starter specifies its WWH, who's at WWH levels - which as you all agree, is distinctly different from WBH levels.
You might then say, well duh DarkSaint85 (damn my user name sounds stupid when I type it out..) he's the same guy - he may start out as WWH, but given enough rage, and the match would end with WBH standing over X character's lifeless body. I don't dispute they are both Hulks, and are both the same character, but then is it the same to use Warrior Madness Thor, or OWAW Superman in every fight featuring these guys?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I did, but my reasoning is this:You and Stoic (and indeed, everyone else) all agree that there is such a thing as 'World Breaker Hulk'. It is distinct, and is a different level. We all agree on that. In fact, you can even number the occasions he went WBH.
I am not disputing it. What I am disputing, or maybe asking is the better word, is that as we can all agree that is a separate power level, whether it can be used when a thread starter specifies its WWH, who's at WWH levels - which as you all agree, is distinctly different from WBH levels.
You might then say, well duh DarkSaint85 (damn my user name sounds stupid when I type it out..) he's the same guy - he may start out as WWH, but given enough rage, and the match would end with WBH standing over X character's lifeless body. I don't dispute they are both Hulks, and are both the same character, but then is it the same to use Warrior Madness Thor, or OWAW Superman in every fight featuring these guys?
Nah, you're not seeing the bigger picture. WW Hulk is the exact same guy as he is when he goes world breaker, you can't separate them. If you do you directly, or blatantly nerf the character. If the Hulk didn't care about life in general, then he would have ended it the moment that he arrived on Earth just after the Black Bolt clone situation. In a neutral setting where the Hulk does not have to worry about innocents being killed then he would defeat Snowbird pretty fast.