Originally posted by DarkSaint85I know what your saying and agree. WWH and WBH on kmc at least are seen and debated about as two seperate characters with different levels of power.
I did, but my reasoning is this:You and Stoic (and indeed, everyone else) all agree that there is such a thing as 'World Breaker Hulk'. It is distinct, and is a different level. We all agree on that. In fact, you can even number the occasions he went WBH.
I am not disputing it. What I am disputing, or maybe asking is the better word, is that as we can all agree that is a separate power level, whether it can be used when a thread starter specifies its WWH, who's at WWH levels - which as you all agree, is distinctly different from WBH levels.
You might then say, well duh DarkSaint85 (damn my user name sounds stupid when I type it out..) he's the same guy - he may start out as WWH, but given enough rage, and the match would end with WBH standing over X character's lifeless body. I don't dispute they are both Hulks, and are both the same character, but then is it the same to use Warrior Madness Thor, or OWAW Superman in every fight featuring these guys?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I did, but my reasoning is this:You and Stoic (and indeed, everyone else) all agree that there is such a thing as 'World Breaker Hulk'. It is distinct, and is a different level. We all agree on that. In fact, you can even number the occasions he went WBH.
I am not disputing it. What I am disputing, or maybe asking is the better word, is that as we can all agree that is a separate power level, whether it can be used when a thread starter specifies its WWH, who's at WWH levels - which as you all agree, is distinctly different from WBH levels.
You might then say, well duh DarkSaint85 (damn my user name sounds stupid when I type it out..) he's the same guy - he may start out as WWH, but given enough rage, and the match would end with WBH standing over X character's lifeless body. I don't dispute they are both Hulks, and are both the same character, but then is it the same to use Warrior Madness Thor, or OWAW Superman in every fight featuring these guys?
The op states WWH which means just that WWH. it's a static power level. That's like me creating a thread titled professor hulk versus wonder man then saying he stomps 10/10 because all hulks can become WBH that's NOT how his power nor this forum works. Stoic is reaching as usual, and even if this was WBH he will still lose to Snowbird. She's just that powerful...
She can insta-heal and shift to a skyfather level being
I know that owning Stoic is fun and everything, but technically I don't see what's wrong with his point.
World War Hulk can be seeing as an incarnation of the character (better known as the Green Scar) but it can also be a reference to the World War Hulk arc. I mean, if we say Pre-Crisis Superman we are taking into account all the feats that happened during the Pre-Crisis "arc", a certain amount of publishing books. During the books comprised in the event World War Hulk, Bruce's alter ego did go World Breaker once. I see no problem it his judgement, unless one of you can point me out to the consesual ruling that admits WWH refers to an incarnation of the character and not to the WWH arc.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85I think a good example would be dragon ball z. If there was a fight here between savage hulk and super sayian 2 goku, could I argue that goku goes super saying 4 because it's in his power to do so?
Wow, I have Quan, Sin and Raptor in my corner.I think I had a dream that started out like this, once....
Originally posted by Bentley
I know that owning Stoic is fun and everything, but technically I don't see what's wrong with his point.World War Hulk can be seeing as an incarnation of the character (better known as the Green Scar) but it can also be a reference to the World War Hulk arc. I mean, if we say Pre-Crisis Superman we are taking into account all the feats that happened during the Pre-Crisis "arc", a certain amount of publishing books. During the books comprised in the event World War Hulk, Bruce's alter ego did go World Breaker once. I see no problem it his judgement, unless one of you can point me out to the consesual ruling that admits WWH refers to an incarnation of the character and not to the WWH arc.
Grey Hulk or Prof. Hulk is NOT WBH. Same goes to WWH.
All are Hulks, but not all are equal strength.
Comparing WWH to WBH is like comparing Earth-2 Superman to KC Superman or Goldie Prime.
That's NOT how this forum works.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
We are not talking about the specific arc here.
So did I miss the post in which this is stated? I'm seriously asking, sometimes I miss posts.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
We are talking about the character WWH, which is NOT WBH.
Even disregarding my previous observation, how can people seriously make a character out of WBH? I mean, the guy literaly only appears when the other incarnation has been around and shares its every personality trait with the character known as WWH. This is NOT the case with Grey Hulk, Professor Hulk, Savage Hulk etc.
I can understand the commodity of not wanting WWH go World Breaker for the propose of a particular thread, I guess the wording chosen would be different from me. Then again, maybe this was discussed somewhere else and I didn't pay attention 😛
Originally posted by Bentley
I know that owning Stoic is fun and everything, but technically I don't see what's wrong with his point.World War Hulk can be seeing as an incarnation of the character (better known as the Green Scar) but it can also be a reference to the World War Hulk arc. I mean, if we say Pre-Crisis Superman we are taking into account all the feats that happened during the Pre-Crisis "arc", a certain amount of publishing books. During the books comprised in the event World War Hulk, Bruce's alter ego did go World Breaker once. I see no problem it his judgement, unless one of you can point me out to the consesual ruling that admits WWH refers to an incarnation of the character and not to the WWH arc.
No, that's fair enough, and you are right, it COULD mean that.
Another way of looking at it, would be Abhilegend creating a 'Post Crisis Superman vs XXX'. And I came around, and used John Byrne's version. Technically, I'd be correct. But I'd probably be crucified for low-balling.
Originally posted by Bentley
So did I miss the post in which this is stated? I'm seriously asking, sometimes I miss posts.Even disregarding my previous observation, how can people seriously make a character out of WBH? I mean, the guy literaly only appears when the other incarnation has been around and shares its every personality trait with the character known as WWH. This is NOT the case with Grey Hulk, Professor Hulk, Savage Hulk etc.
I can understand the commodity of not wanting WWH go World Breaker for the propose of a particular thread, I guess the wording chosen would be different from me. Then again, maybe this was discussed somewhere else and I didn't pay attention 😛
because there is a vast difference in powersets between WWH and WBH, its common sense really, Hulk has to powerup to achieve that level and he isn't restricting himself, something that Amadeus pointed out WWH subconsciously does.
the issue with hulk fans...lemme rephrase that fanboys in general is that they like to cherry pick feats.
doesn't matter really anyway since snowbird isn't losing this fight
Originally posted by Sin I AM
The op states WWH which means just that WWH. it's a static power level. That's like me creating a thread titled professor hulk versus wonder man then saying he stomps 10/10 because all hulks can become WBH that's NOT how his power nor this forum works. Stoic is reaching as usual, and even if this was WBH he will still lose to Snowbird. She's just that powerful...She can insta-heal and shift to a skyfather level being
I assume specifically stating "WWH" means for the sake of the thread, Hulk is at that level of power or purely restricted to his World War Hulk feats. In either case whenever Pak showed Hulk approaching WBH levels his eyes started glowing green and eventually his whole body, this happened several times during his run. WBH isn't a separate incarnation, it's a progression of Hulk's own power.
I hope people know WWH showed up AFTER the World and War arcs as well. If someone said "just use the Hulk from that arc", then it would make sense BUT, AFTER this arc, WWH still existed and he shifted to WBH levels with just a mere thought. Hell, Banner was so good at switching levels of power that he switched from his Human persona, to WWH, to WBH with nothing but a mere thought. WWH IS WBH unless the OP states not to use this Hulk during the opening of his post.
Originally posted by The Sorrow
I'm sorry but I find this post quite strange, when was the Hulk's power ever static?I assume specifically stating "WWH" means for the sake of the thread, Hulk is at that level of power or purely restricted to his World War Hulk feats. In either case whenever Pak showed Hulk approaching WBH levels his eyes started glowing green and eventually his whole body, this happened several times during his run. WBH isn't a separate incarnation, it's a progression of Hulk's own power.
Your taking it too literal...I meant solely wwh appearances and feats