You mean some weak Force Pushes? Yeah, he was really tearing arms off there.
Do we? You seemed fine with bringing up character idiosyncrasies against HWKA as I recall.
@Blax:
Basilisk War Droids are fodder now? A creature that size is fodder? Man, I'd hate to fight what you consider higher than fodder. And my impression was that those characters were the best of the generation. Sylvar was later held up as one of the legendary Jedi of the war according to Jolee.
It isn't speculation that he demonstrates his amulet blast at a later point with a focus and casualness that he didn't have before, indicating an increased skill with the ability. Also remember that he was able to use the amulet to destroy Freedon Nadd's spirit as well.
Originally posted by NephthysYou don't seem to understad what fodder means.
Basilisk War Droids are fodder now? A creature that size is fodder? Man, I'd hate to fight what you consider higher than fodder.
And my impression wasThat's nice. Your impression is just that, though, you're impression.
It isn't speculation that he demonstrates his amulet blast at a later point with a focus and casualness that he didn't have before,Uh- how was it more causal and focused"? lol. They show him blast Aleema and then it immediately cuts to him dueling Ulic. There is no other way to describe what you're doing here besides grasping at straws. Here's the scene of the first time Exar uses his amulets.
and then the scene where he blast's Aleema.
What is the difference between the two? There is none. All you have is "your impression", lol. Your gut feeling. That isn't good enough.
I have canon statements from both the character himself and the narrator that Exar Kun could barely control his own amulets. Regardless of what your "gut instinct" tells you, the onus is on you to prove that by the time he died, he'd achieved a mastery over the amulets that would allow him to tag Jedi, specifically of Obi-Wan and Yoda's caliber.
Originally posted by heitoi_which
Yep, because anything less than limb removal doesn't qualify as an attack. Good one Neph!👆
Do tell.
It is a very silly point, especially when you consider that:
1. That "weak" force push sent Sideous flying across the room, and could have very easily snapped his neck (to compare, Odan-Urr was outright killed by a vastly weaker force push).
And:
2. Yoda had gone there with the specific intention of killing Sideous. To think that every one of his moves wasn't intended to be lethal is insane.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
You don't seem to understad what fodder means.
I do understand what fodder means though.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
That's nice. Your impression is just that, though, you're impression.
Ahaha, you'll notice that I actually posted evidence to back that 'impression' up though asshat. Instead of aiming for maximum douchebaggery, perhaps you should actually read my posts more clearly next time.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Uh- how was it more causal and focused"? lol. They show him blast Aleema and then it immediately cuts to him dueling Ulic. There is no other way to describe what you're doing here besides grasping at straws. Here's the scene of the first time Exar uses his amulets.What is the difference between the two?
Is there any evidence of strain in the second? Kun walks into the room, deflects Aleemas own attack and then takes her out with a non-lethal one handed blast while mocking her. If he couldn't control it then he wouldn't be able to contain the blast to the extent to use it non-lethally.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
There is none. All you have is "your impression", lol. Your gut feeling. That isn't good enough.
Wtf? When did I say anything about gut feeling? I told you my reasoning and it had nothing to do with gut feeling.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I have canon statements from both the character himself and the narrator that Exar Kun could barely control his own amulets. Regardless of what your "gut instinct" tells you, the onus is on you to prove that by the time he died, he'd achieved a mastery over the amulets that would allow him to tag Jedi, specifically of Obi-Wan and Yoda's caliber.
As I have provided. You've also ignored that Kun gains enough control of the amulet to turn it against its creator and destroy him with it on the same page as those statements. The same being who can punk a Jedi Master half-way across the galaxy.
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
It is a very silly point, especially when you consider that:1. That "weak" force push sent Sideous flying across the room, and could have very easily snapped his neck. And
Ok, sure. Maybe he could have hit the desk at a bad angle I suppose. Or when he fell over his chair he could have..... gotten tangled on his robes and strangled himself?
My point is that we both know that Yoda can hit harder than that. And if he can't, then why the **** do you think he can take on Exar Kun with his weakass Force powers?
Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
2. Yoda had gone there with the specific intention of killing Sideous. To think that every one of his moves wasn't intended to be lethal is insane.
You expect me to believe that the guy who can smash transport ships into each other can barely shunt someone across a room going all out? Yeah bullshit. Yoda has specifically said that he's against using the Force offensively. In this case his attack was merely to create room for him to recover. Defensively. Likewise he only uses the Force to knock out the guards. If he was trying to kill Sidious he would have hit him a lot harder than he did.
Neph
Yoda has specifically said that he's against using the Force offensively. In this case his attack was merely to create room for him to recover. Defensively. Likewise he only uses the Force to knock out the guards.
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[*]Yoda said that twenty years after the duel in the Senate
[*]Sidious wasn't exactly in his lap nor did he give any indications that he was about to attack, so the idea that Yoda needed room to recover is a little weak
[*]Using the Force to attack the guards without provocation is a clear demonstration of him using the Force for offensive purposes
[*]Ergo, the idea that Yoda has not, cannot, or will not use the Force for offensive purposes is baseless
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Originally posted by heitoi_which
Off-topic, is there any textual or visual evidence to suggest that Kun could kill a trained Force user with his amulet blasts?
Last I checked, the on-panel evidence shows him piercing the Sith wyrm with it and burning down much of the temple. I'm going to go on a limb here and suggest that maybe, with its exponentially increased rage behind it, it could you know, hurt trained Force users.
Or I could be like you and suggest that a standard Force push across a desk would kill a trained Force user whereas a huge blast of Force energy and rage would not.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Last I checked, the on-panel evidence shows him piercing the Sith wyrm with it and burning down much of the temple. I'm going to go on a limb here and suggest that maybe, with its exponentially increased rage behind it, it could you know, hurt trained Force users.Or I could be like you and suggest that a standard Force push across a desk would kill a trained Force user whereas a huge blast of Force energy and rage would not.
U mad, bro?
First, I never said it couldn't hurt them. Dude knocked Aleema on her ass good and proper. 👆
Second, Plagueis atomizes random mooks while mortally injured and Starkiller reduces a Nebulon-B frigate to "a billion pieces" at whim... do we contend that they could do either to Force users who can erect Force barriers to protect themselves against things that Sith wyrms, temples, Nebulon-B frigates and random mooks cannot? U see where I'm going with this, bro?
Third, I never said that a standard Force push across a desk would kill a trained Force user.
When you're done strawmanning the shit out of my post through the haze of your rage!tears, address my actual questions bro.
I find it ironic that the only people I ever get into arguments with are Ares, Truejedi, Pwned and Sidious66 and - and it's mostly with Ares and Truejedi.
Perhaps my viewpoints go in sync with other people's viewpoints here, while those whose viewpoints mine do not go in sync with and vice versa, tend to argue with me more.
Hmm..