Hulk - Drain Him

Originally posted by Nihilist
Surfer and Thor do it no problems.

According to Hulk fanboys he cant be drained,mindraped,hurt by punches or blasts 😂

Originally posted by dmills
Thor for sure.

Why so say that? What beings who absorbs energy has Thor drained?
Thor can absorb hella non restrained energy but draining beings with resistance (restrained energy) is a different story.

Not only would Thor have to drain at a faster rate than what WBH can get from the dimension he draws from

BUT

Thor has to also play tug of war since WBH is going to be pulling his energy back with a certain force (restrained energy remember).

I am beginning to like H1.

Hmm so according to u H1 noone less than sky can harm hotm and/ot drain him simply because Bruce and Betty had an ambiguous shared planet busting feat that any two heralds who got their wish granted accomplish?

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmm so according to u H1 noone less than sky can harm hotm and/ot drain him simply because Bruce and Betty had an ambiguous shared planet busting feat that any two heralds who got their wish granted accomplish?

Show a wish being granted to achieve the ft. The only wish that was made during that time was Betty wishing herself to be Hulks equal and Hulk wishing everyone back to life after the explosion. Sin, question...what reason is that you don't like the Hulk? You tend to low ball him any chance you get. Why?

Originally posted by h1a8
The only way he can be hurt by punches or blasts is if they exceed the force or power of the collision between him and Betty. The only forces I seen in comics that surpass the force of that collision are universe destroying forces, galaxy moving forces, etc. Although Odin together with another destroyed galaxies on two occasions the battles took time where many blasts were shot. So Odin and higher might be able to hurt WBH directly but make no mistake, Odin neither has the ability nor has he ever busted a galaxy with one blast or anywhere close. So the myth of galaxy busting blasts is busted.

Why so say that? What beings who absorbs energy has Thor drained?
Thor can absorb hella non restrained energy but draining beings with resistance (restrained energy) is a different story.

Not only would Thor have to drain at a faster rate than what WBH can get from the dimension he draws from

BUT

Thor has to also play tug of war since WBH is going to be pulling his energy back with a certain force (restrained energy remember).

Now that's a new one. I've never heard of Mjolnir having a non resisting exception/clause in its abilities.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Hmm so according to u H1 noone less than sky can harm hotm and/ot drain him simply because Bruce and Betty had an ambiguous shared planet busting feat that any two heralds who got their wish granted accomplish?

Who are we to take the power out of the writer's hands?
If a writer wants to write Hulk, Spider-man, etc. under certain conditions as being as powerful as skyfathers then who are we to say he/she is wrong?

Now I'm not claiming WBH is as powerful as skyfathers but you get my point.
We shouldn't base things off what we feel or what should ALWAYS be the case (for example, most feel that no Hulk should ever surpass a trans level being and enter skyfather level no matter what the writer says or shows).

To prevent us from robbing the writers of their creative power we should base things off feats and not what we should think be the case. Otherwise it is just another religion or cult that fails to see the facts.

Fact 1: Nothing short of the force of the collision can hurt WBH

Fact 2. If a character doesn't have a feat, showing, or any other compelling evidence to show they can produce forces beyond the force that WBH endured in the collision then by default they can't directly hurt WBH (doesn't mean they can't beat him though).

Fact 3: We should base everything off feats as the root of all arguments. Otherwise, we will be subject to bias debating. For example, Thanos is stronger than Aquaman (although they never met) simply because of their feats OR based off the fact that Thanos has displayed equal or greater strength against beings who has consistent greater feats than Aquaman. Feats should ALWAYS be the root of all arguments. This is the utmost truth.

Originally posted by dmills
Now that's a new one. I've never heard of Mjolnir having a non resisting exception/clause in its abilities.

So going by feats, prior to their confrontation would you have considered the Hulk to have been stronger than Zeus?

Originally posted by h1a8
I didn't claim that mjolnir can't drain energy that is being restrained. I'm saying that restrained energy will affect the rate in which Thor can drain. Remember Thor has to drain FASTER than WBH can get back. Thor might win the tug of war contest but certainly at least it will slow the rate of drain down and may allow WBH to gain the energy back from his dimension he draws from.

Could be. It's certainly worth considering. The problem however is we have no on panel explanation of this presumed dimension and how its works in relationship to Banner.

Now what we do have on panel seems to suggest that while he is in possession of a vast amount of energy, its finite amount nonetheless. I'm speaking not only of the infamous satellite, but also of the machine that contained all of the cosmic and gamma energies that Banner absorbed back into himself which allowed him to turn back into the hulk. I mean there were percentages being stated and everything lol. I can post the scans if you'd like...

Originally posted by dmills
So going by feats, prior to their confrontation would you have considered the Hulk to have been stronger than Zeus?

Good question. Classic Savage Hulk is one of the most variable beings in comics. Not only is his strength based off random comic fluctuation from writer to writer (as all character's are) but it is also based off his rage. So that is why we should take the average feats of Savage Hulk as a guideline.

We have Zeus casually lifting (not bracing) a mountain, so IMO that is greater than the average Savage Hulk. I don't see average Savage Hulk lifting a mountain unless it's under some extreme circumstances and where the writer just wants it to happen this time.

Originally posted by dmills
Could be. It's certainly worth considering. The problem however is we have no on panel explanation of this presumed dimension and how its works in relationship to Banner.

Now what we do have on panel seems to suggest that while he is in possession of a vast amount of energy, its finite amount nonetheless. I'm speaking not only of the infamous satellite, but also of the machine that contained all of the cosmic and gamma energies that Banner absorbed back into himself which allowed him to turn back into the hulk. I mean there were percentages being stated and everything lol. I can post the scans if you'd like...

It is explained in bios and on panel that Hulk draws from another dimension. In comics it explains that Hulk draws from a pocket dimension. Also Beyonder even saw and said that Hulk's energy source was infinite.

If Hulk didn't draw from another dimension then there is no explanation of where his energy comes from.

Yes Hulk ALWAYS has a finite amount of energy at all times. But I would love to see those scans. Bad inconsistent writing DOES happen in comics though. That is a fact.

@h1...

About Hulk lifting mountains...classic secret wars was reintroduced and Savage Hulk lifted the entire thing. The mountain was twice the size of the Appalachians and he lifted it at a calm state.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259403/Hulk2.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259420/Hulk8.jpg.html

This ft poot on Zeus mountain lifting ft.

Originally posted by h1a8
Good question. Classic Savage Hulk is one of the most variable beings in comics. Not only is his strength based off random comic fluctuation from writer to writer (as all character's are) but it is also based off his rage. So that is why we should take the average feats of Savage Hulk as a guideline.

We have Zeus casually lifting (not bracing) a mountain, so IMO that is greater than the average Savage Hulk. I don't see average Savage Hulk lifting a mountain unless it's under some extreme circumstances and where the writer just wants it to happen this time.

I'm talking about the Hulk as written just before the Zeus confrontation in issue 622 I think it was. Not savage hulk. The Hulk rampaging his way up mount Olympus gets to Zeus. Then Marvel asks you, H1a8 to pick a winner between the two in a purely physical confrontation. Going by your feats stance, who would you have said would have won?

Thor and Surfer

Originally posted by h1a8
It is explained in bios and on panel that Hulk draws from another dimension. In comics it explains that Hulk draws from a pocket dimension. Also Beyonder even saw and said that Hulk's energy source was infinite.

If Hulk didn't draw from another dimension then there is no explanation of where his energy comes from.

Yes Hulk ALWAYS has a finite amount of energy at all times. But I would love to see those scans. Bad inconsistent writing DOES happen in comics though. That is a fact.

Issue numbers or scans for the pocket dimensional energies?

I think the question here should be what makes the Hulk an infinite power?

That would be putting the cart before the horse.

Originally posted by carver9
I am beginning to like H1.

Originally posted by carver9
I am beginning to like H1.

You confirmed without a shadow of a doubt now , that you're gay .

Originally posted by carver9
@h1...

About Hulk lifting mountains...classic secret wars was reintroduced and Savage Hulk lifted the entire thing. The mountain was twice the size of the Appalachians and he lifted it at a calm state.

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259403/Hulk2.jpg.html

http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/12259420/Hulk8.jpg.html

This ft poot on Zeus mountain lifting ft.

Zeus picked up a mountain and used it as basically a weapon. If you think Hulk's feat is more impressive, then your whole face sucks.

Also lol at h1