The High Evolutionary Vs Dr Doom

Originally posted by JakeTheBank

You left out the "arguably".

And yes, it could be argued. HE has actually accomplished higher end feats (turned himself into a God-like being/member of the cosmic order, created Counter Earth, etc). There's not any field of science that Doom is better than HE in. Doom's not a better engineer or inventor, Doom's definitely not a better geneticist. The only thing Doom has on HE is his knowledge of magic (which HE also has, just not to the same degree) which is countered by HE's knowledge as a geneticist and dealings with higher beings (Celestials, etc). Put popularity aside and HE is the better intellect, just not as active/diabolical with it as Doom. Doom just flaunts it more and has more appearances. HE is, overall, of a higher order of intelligence.

Jokes aside, I agree with Delph on this.

Jokes aside, Delph doesn't know who either character is.

The High Evolutionary performing a lobotomy on a Celestial (Exitar)

Magneto level feat.

HE may be more intelligent, but he does not have the same strategic mind, is not as battle-oriented, nor as versatile as Doom.

HE is a "Super Scientist". Doom is a Super Scientist, Sorcerer and a Warrior, among other things.

These other attributes have to be taken into account.

Not so sure about that. HE is a great strategist, he just doesn't act as malevolently with it as Doom does as HE isn't a 'villain' and has his own agenda which is more based on creation and preservation of life. If High Evolutionary were to set his sites on taking Doom and Latveria down, Doom and Latveria are going down.

Doom tries to conquer the world.

High Evolutionary creates his own worlds.

The only thing Doom has on HE is a slight magic edge and more combat experience due to Doom being an overused evil antagonist. HE is actually better than Doom in every category that counts, and also has the trump card of having actually made himself into a god like being rather than having to resort to attempts at stealing the powers from people more powerful than himself only to fail.

Doom conquering Marvel Earth > creating a world 😬

If Doom wants to take HE down he's taking him down.

Doom has never failed to take the power of godlike beings before, from what I remember, the only reason he doesn't stay like that is because he's Doom and they need to keep using him in F4 comics. I'd say taking the power of Galactus or Beyonder is more impressive than HE making himself a "god" because he is actually stripping away the power of cosmic beings.

HE is better than Doom in genetics and that's about it.

HE isn't going to beat Doom in anything resembling a prep-war.

At one point, you could argue HE being overtly more powerful than Doom straight up. Nowadays, especially since Doom's magic has been significantly upgraded and portrayed as being elite level among the magic users of Earth (to say nothing of his depth of knowledge in the arcane), not so much.

Delph is somebody that I used to know.

HE in a prepless battle.

He should be above doom without writer love

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom conquering Marvel Earth > creating a world 😬

If Doom wants to take HE down he's taking him down.

Doom has never failed to take the power of godlike beings before, from what I remember, the only reason he doesn't stay like that is because he's Doom and they need to keep using him in F4 comics. I'd say taking the power of Galactus or Beyonder is more impressive than HE making himself a "god" because he is actually stripping away the power of cosmic beings.

HE is better than Doom in genetics and that's about it.

Nah, HE's better than Doom across the board.

HE doesn't have to steal the powers of Godlike beings, he simply made himself a godlike being via his own intellect, not just transferring the powers of others to himself for short periods of time. Short term energy tranference isn't awe inspiring homie.

HE is smarter than Doom. HE doesn't have to resort to the cheap things Doom does in order to be successful, and is more successful anyway.

HE is the smarter, and more powerful, character. Period.

And to Jake, regarding Doom's magic, not only does HE also know magic to an extent to which Doom's knowledge is not a trump card, but HE also has created magic negating tech/weapons and provided it to his New Men.

Doom has NOTHING on High Evolutionary other than his reputation as top villain and people thinking he just has to show up to win.

Originally posted by Mindset
Doom conquering Marvel Earth > creating a world 😬

If Doom wants to take HE down he's taking him down.

Doom has never failed to take the power of godlike beings before, from what I remember, the only reason he doesn't stay like that is because he's Doom and they need to keep using him in F4 comics. I'd say taking the power of Galactus or Beyonder is more impressive than HE making himself a "god" because he is actually stripping away the power of cosmic beings.

HE is better than Doom in genetics and that's about it.

He also invented a device that would turn mutants into cosmic cube level beings .
Having the tech to make cosmic cube level power>> stealing cosmic cube power.

There was a what if that came out after the issue to show what would have happened if he wasnt stopped and all of the mutants were turned into cosmic cube level beings. ( its not cannon but it shows what would have happened)

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/earthevo.htm

They obliterated all the celestials and even killed eternity himself.

But you may be right about HE not being battle oriented.

Originally posted by MF DELPH
Nah, HE's better than Doom across the board.

HE doesn't have to steal the powers of Godlike beings, he simply made himself a godlike being via his own intellect, not just transferring the powers of others to himself for short periods of time. Short term energy tranference isn't awe inspiring homie.

HE is smarter than Doom. HE doesn't have to resort to the cheap things Doom does in order to be successful, and is more successful anyway.

HE is the smarter, and more powerful, character. Period.

And to Jake, regarding Doom's magic, not only does HE also know magic to an extent to which Doom's knowledge is not a trump card, but HE also has created magic negating tech/weapons and provided it to his New Men.

Doom has [b]NOTHING on High Evolutionary other than his reputation as top villain and people thinking he just has to show up to win. [/B]

He couldn't steal the powers of the beings Doom did, Doom with the powers he had > HE. It was only a short period of time because that's how plot works, there's no reason why Doom couldn't have kept Galactus's power, the reason why he couldn't keep Beyonder's power was clear cut pis. Yea, and with Doom's intellect he was able to take the powers of people way beyond HE...

No, he really isn't. How is owning a cosmic and taking his power cheap? That doesn't even make sense. Doom has had more success than anything HE has ever done. EVER.

Doom's accomplishments speak for themselves, and they are all more impressive than HE's.

What knowledge of magic does HE have to make it so that Doom's knowledge of magic isn't a very clear and sizeable advantage? The guy has been stated, more than once, to have a wider depth of knowledge concerning magic than Dr. Strange, and his magic has gone from being a "low level mage" to Sorcerer Supreme potential.

And it's not like Doom doesn't meld magic with tech on a regular basis and doesn't have tech to nullify mysticism himself, either.

Doom's feats are better than HE's. That's not hype, or a forum meme, or trying to be funny. That's fact.

HE stomps Doom without Vitcor having prep.

No, it's not a fact, it's an opinion. There's not an accomplishment in Doom's resume that shows he's smarter than High Evolutionary. He's more battle tested than High Evolutionary, granted, but smarter, with better tech and inventions, and better feats of intellect than High Evolutionary?

No.

Doom is NOT smarter than High Evolutionary, and Doom does not posess more personal power than High Evolutionary. Also, to say that Doom would unequivocally beat High Evolutionary if both sides had equal prep is debatable in of itself, particularly given what High Evolutionary has already done and is capable of.

So yes, it's reputation and "Doom is Doom, so Doom wins", not fact.

And while High Evolutionary didn't finish second in the Sorcerer Supreme competition and hasn't sold the soul of his loved ones for borrowed magical power, that's not a feat of Doom's intelligence, that just shows the depths to which Doom will go to in order to gain power. Doom's magic knowledge and affinity isn't just a result of his intellect, it's also passed down through his heritage (from his Mother). High Evolutionary's arcane knowledge is good enough to amplify villains in his employ, negate magic attacks, and arm his New Men to battle demons and Chthon. I'm not saying High Evolutionary is a powerful sorcerer, I'm saying he knows enough about magic to provide adequate defenses and countermeausures against it so that an opponent wielding it doesn't have an advantage.

Doom is not a better inventor or engineer. There is not a field of science Doom is more proficient in than High Evolutionary. You can't say the opposite.

High Evolutionary is smarter than Dr. Doom.

You're wrong, just get over it.