Darth Revan & Darth Bane vs Darth Sidious & Exar Kun

This is my first VS battle and sorry if it was done already but here are 2 great pairs going head-to-head! ALL OUT BATTLE, and they use whatever they normally do for a battle!

Battleground: Tatooine: Mos Eisley Cantina
Distance Appart: 10 meters

I say Sidious and Exar Kun win lightsaber combat but Bane and Revan win a Force Powers

How Bane and Revan can win with Force powers, if Bane was less powerful than his apprentice and Revan was less powerful than Vitiate?

Arhael, Bane actually should have won that fight. A Deus Ex Machina was invoked, and Bane actually did nearly win.

First: Does Bane have his orbalisks?

Second: I see it being Revan vs Kun, and Bane vs Sidious to start. Revan will take Kun down fairly quickly (due to Kun being a *****) and Sidious and Bane will definately draw out. Though if Sidious tries to lightninzor, it will probably be pretty ineffective. Bane can defend against it, and Revan can catch it.

Bane was definitely better, than Zannah with lightsaber but not in power. She was on the offensive with the Force whole fight and, when Bane went on the offensive with Dark Transfer, his spirit was weaker.

Sidious lightning has never been ineffective. Even in RotS, where he was out of form. Revan might be unable to absorb it same way as Vitiate's. Well, I might be wrong because his lightning didn't do a thing to DE Luke. But assuming that Sidious lightning is weaker, than Vitiate's makes no sense. Lightning intensity depends on power levels and Sidious is considered the most powerful. If his lightning sucks, then I don't see any point of having that power.

About Bane I don't know. But Obralisk can be deciding factor.
As for Kun vs revan, Kun has much more feats with the Force, has his potential boosted by talismans and, unlike Revan, has lightsaber combat feats and pretty good ones.

Kun doesn't really have jack in the way of saber feats that can't be chalked down to, "I made a whole new type of saber. None of you have any clue how to fight against it. G'day."

I never said Sidious' lightning was ineffective, I said that Bane and Revan both know how to defend against it, and Bane's is about equal.
Didn't assume Sidious' was weaker than Vitiate's either. Don't dig yourself a grave, man ;p

If Bane has his orbalisks, its over before it starts. Neither Sidious nor Kun can really stand up against him.

Yeah, I think there should be clarification as to whether or not Bane has orbalisk armor or not because with hit his abilities are magnified ridiculously and his body becomes almost impervious to strikes.

As to Zannah vs. Bane, she didn't push him back until she began using her sorcery on him, which he had almost no knowledge of how to counter. As far as "standard" offensive Force abilities Bane was shown to be stronger than she was, though I don't know that it's fair to play down what she can do just because her abilities took different forms. She was able to turn more than one person mad instantly, including a rather able Jedi knight, though we never did get to see her using her powers against any Master except for Bane.

What are Revan's best speed feats?

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
What are Revan's best speed feats?

Ha! Well in that case...Palpatine blitzes him.

Nah.

Master Flurry + Master Speed = Revan solos

Master Bation + Revan = The old years.

Bane ended up having to crush his opponent by other means when he fought Kas'im dual-wielding, but he held his own against Raskta Lsu. To act as though Bane would be incapable of taking on Sidious simply because he was utilizing two sabers is baseless. It's also out of place to assume that Sidious would carry a second saber simply because he was going to face Bane when aside from the above situation he has shown preference for a single saber.

If we're going to act as though little quirks would catch Sith Masters unaware then lets assume Sidious would be at a disadvantage because he doesn't generally go up against opponents wielding a hooked handled saber. I find that to be equally as silly.

This is what KMC has come to? Awful, awful debating from you.

Palpatine has never 'gone up against opponentswielding a hook saber?' Try a different argument. Remember the guy named, oh, Darth Tyranus? His apprentice for ten years, who Palpatine was effortlessly far stronger than, with either saber or force?

It's equally idiotic to assume Palpatine wouldn't have a second saber when the Revenge of the Sith novel flat out states he does.

Bane has...no defense against Palpatine's superior force lightning, nor Palpatine simply using the same technique he and Plagueis invented to kill the Orbalisks, forcing them to poison Bane.

Sorry, kids, but Palpatine's confirmed as Bane's superior multiple times.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
It's equally idiotic to assume Palpatine wouldn't have a second saber when the Revenge of the Sith novel flat out states he does.

According to the leaked Maul book Sidious has access to 2 lightsabers that

Spoiler:
he uses to dual wield in his duel with Maul and Savage Opress.

Oh, good, direct and complete proof then.

If you want to check it out someone posted the fight on page 1348 of the Battle Bar.

Do we know that Sidious was better than Dooku with a lightsaber or that he even trained with him all that much at all?

Spoiler:
Palpatine stomping the living hell out of Maul and Savage simultaneously with a saber when Dooku had considerably more difficulty.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
This is what KMC has come to? Awful, awful debating from you.

Palpatine has never 'gone up against opponentswielding a hook saber?' Try a different argument. Remember the guy named, oh, Darth Tyranus? His apprentice for ten years, who Palpatine was effortlessly far stronger than, with either saber or force.

Excellent job both misquoting what I said and taking it out of context. I was arguing that that same premise would be just as justified as the one presented above that was equally foolish.

The dickery is heavy in this thread. Debates require no condescension; state your case and move on.