Darth Revan & Darth Bane vs Darth Sidious & Exar Kun

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Excellent job both misquoting what I said and taking it out of context. I was arguing that that same premise would be just as justified as the one presented above that was equally foolish.

The dickery is heavy in this thread. Debates require no condescension; state your case and move on.

If you're going to argue a premise is justified, then present a justifiable premise.

To say Bane 'held his own' against Raskta Lsu ignores wholly that he'd have died in the opening seconds of the engagement as he fought without the orbalisks. Being much taller, bigger and armored in every place save for small wrist gaps and his head kind of help a little, plus the ENORMOUS boost in power and reflex the orbalisks give him.

As stated, Bane has little to stand against what Palpatine and Plagueis developed together. What does he do if his midichlorians are flipped off? Or worse, if Palpatine targets his orbalisks? when they die, you know what happens

Hmm wasn't aware of that. However in the fight business we have a saying that goes "styles make fights". Basically the result or details in a fight can sometimes have a lot to do with how the opponents match up stylistically, and not just in terms of general strength and skill. Makashi is modeled after fencing which is a 1-on-1 discipline so that could have a lot to do with it, and as we know that it can be weak to the power of even Djem So so maybe two opponents would have similar effect.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
If you're going to argue a premise is justified, then present a justifiable premise.

To say Bane 'held his own' against Raskta Lsu ignores wholly that he'd have died in the opening seconds of the engagement as he fought without the orbalisks.

If he didn't have the orbalisks then he wouldn't have charged in so recklessly and ignored defense enough to be hit like that, so that's a faulty assumption. Later he was capable to ducking around the blows aimed for his head well enough.

Originally posted by Nephthys
If he didn't have the orbalisks then he wouldn't have charged in so recklessly and ignored defense enough to be hit like that, so that's a faulty assumption. Later he was capable to ducking around the blows aimed for his head well enough.

As I said: Had he fought the same way. Does anyone actually believe Bane would've done as well as he did sans the orbalisks? His powers, his anger, his strength, speed and reflexes? Enhanced, plus the armor he got.

Bane was capable of dodging Raskta's blows at his head as she forced him back, but he promptly disengaged and went for Worror.

Bane had an enormous advantage in only having to guard his head. If Raskta was cutting all over and his entire body was vulnerable, this is another story.

Yes, but as you mentioned Raskta and all of the other Jedi were enhanced by Worror's Battle Meditation so that has to be taken into account. I still say that he held his own effectively against her as Zannah did against her opponents in the same battle.

Originally posted by Ascendancy
Yes, but as you mentioned Raskta and all of the other Jedi were enhanced by Worror's Battle Meditation so that has to be taken into account. I still say that he held his own effectively against her as Zannah did against her opponents in the same battle.

Let's be fair then. The Jedi are enhanced by the meditation.

Bane is enhanced by the orbalisks AND gets a massive boost in protection from them.

And Zannah barely 'held her own.' She survived as long as she did because Johun was an idiot who couldn't let Sarro handle Zannah.

This discussion has given me the inspiration for my next thread...

Originally posted by Lightsnake
To say Bane 'held his own' against Raskta Lsu ignores wholly that he'd have died in the opening seconds of the engagement as he fought without the orbalisks. Being much taller, bigger and armored in every place save for small wrist gaps and his head kind of help a little, plus the ENORMOUS boost in power and reflex the orbalisks give him.

As stated, Bane has little to stand against what Palpatine and Plagueis developed together. What does he do if his midichlorians are flipped off? Or worse, if Palpatine targets his orbalisks? when they die, you know what happens [/B]

Originally posted by suck it cowboy
Bane had orbalisks, thus he held his own. What is so difficult to understand here?

You act as if Plagueis is going to be messing with Bane's midichlorians during the fight. A big LOL to that one.

He can pull off an out of body experience with Venemsis to analyze everything around him, but he can't do something he can do when being tortured to death?

He can pull off an out of body experience with Venemsis to analyze everything around him, but he can't do something he can do when being tortured to death?

Originally posted by Lightsnake
As I said: Had he fought the same way. Does anyone actually believe Bane would've done as well as he did sans the orbalisks? His powers, his anger, his strength, speed and reflexes? Enhanced, plus the armor he got.

Bane was capable of dodging Raskta's blows at his head as she forced him back, but he promptly disengaged and went for Worror.

Bane had an enormous advantage in only having to guard his head. If Raskta was cutting all over and his entire body was vulnerable, this is another story.

Against Raskta or the entire Jedi team?

Imo, even without the orbalisks, considering he can hold off Raskta, Farfalla and Johun while they're empowered, I think he could duel with Raskta by himself and do well. Even if she were empowered by BM still.

Though, this is all speculative. We can't tell how well he would do with the orbalisks at that point.

Because he can talk to his own to try to preserve his life when he's sleepy, drunk and getting tortured to death.

He has shown to do things that require more concentration in a fight, unless you have a reason to assume he can't, the onus is on you now.

He has shown to do things that require more concentration in a fight, unless you have a reason to assume he can't, the onus is on you now.

Originally posted by suck it cowboy
Not exactly. We've seen Luke stand firm against the combined kilik colony, then get beat down by Lumiya. Being able to perform an impressive feat doesn't indicate it will happen under every circumstance. So claiming that he can do it under [b]any circumstances because he's shown to do it isn't very intelligent. [/B]

He got beat the first time against Lumiya as he had never fought against a lightwhip before.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
He got beat the first time against Lumiya as he had never fought against a lightwhip before.

You're missing the point. Because he performed one massive feat, we don't assume he can do it on every occasion. There's a reason Luke isn't running around shooting Emerald Lightning at everybody.

I up-voted all of them.

Polls are so broken.

Originally posted by suck it cowboy
You're missing the point. Because he performed one massive feat, we don't assume he can do it on every occasion. There's a reason Luke isn't running around shooting Emerald Lightning at everybody.

Do you actually have a point, or proof that Luke can not replicate feats.

Do you actually have a point, or proof that Luke can not replicate feats.

Well, you're here. :3

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