Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy

Ah yes should we limit this to the films, however I will not since this game is not limited to the films. I think the best fights would be between 2 people who are so equal matched they can not hit each other, this would be the most impressive, we could say this about Yoda and Dooku possibly, but even more so about Ulic Qel Droma facing off against Exar Kun who wielded a double blade and also killed his single blade wielding master, why? Because they were not evenly matched, his skill was beyond his master's, but was equal to Ulic's.

Again a tale directly from Star Wars it's the greater skill not the weapon.

One who mastered dual lightsabre fighting and has been fighting as such for years will easily beat a one who has just began using a single sabre vise virsa as well. Remeber also that Maul did kill Quigon .

Maul had the most impractical double-edged lightsaber. He had extended the hilt because he found the original size too inflexible to the way he used it. Kun's was a little bigger than a normal saber.

Yes, skill does matter. It matters alot.

And of course 2 sabers are practical, Ush. Galder uses two.

You can only hold a pike in its midpoint? HUH? The pike is DESIGNED to be held at one end! Are you talking about some different form of pike? Even a half-pike is desinged to be held at one end, for defending Standards in the Napoleonic war.

All hafted weapons can be held at any point along their length. The double-bladed sabre can only be held at the hilt in the centre as the rest of it will burn your hand off. Hafted weapon fighting involves close contact between body and weapon. This is imnpossible with the double-ended sabre again.

You cannot fight simply by dodging. Moving a body is hard. Moving a sword is easy. Trying to do a no-block form of defence is entirely impractical. In any case, Maul blocked.

'Blister' damage would be intensly rare. But anything thast would be counted as a hit in any form of swordfighting would take anyone- Jedi or otherwise- out the fight, as indeed it DOES in the films.

Now, as I have said before, what works in REAL life is not that important (everyone would be fencing if it were 'real'😉. I am perfectly happy for people to use two sabres and doublel ended sabres in the computer game because they are used in the films and that is the only important qualification. But they are not BETTER in the films. I want the different styles to be different- but NOT better.

And if Dooku can kick ass single sabre, that is how I want to fight, without feeling disadvantaged!

In any case, Dooku had the advantage anyway. Jedi Master with a special curved hilt and very skilled with a sword anyway.

A majority of the Jedi use one lightsaber, so you can see how that works out.

Ush is always right.

I mean, there is another question. Why the double-ended sabre and dual sabres but no Dooku-style one-handed sabre?

That was my point Ush, the styles should be different from one another each holding weakness and advantages, all depending on how the person playing feels his jedi should develop.

Yes, most people are aware of what a pike is due to cheesie movies like braveheart. Anti-calvary weapons. OF course you could even come to that conclusion from games like Ages of Empires. lol It's just a spear, Sometimes called a "Horse cutter". I speak mostly of Aisan weapons though, the double sided Halbred,"butterfly", and must obviously be held at the center. Mind you what I've is just a horse cutter with to large blades and must be used from the center.

However if think about where the folcrum would be if you held it at the end and stabbed your attacker with it......you lose it after one shot. Not wise aye?

And if anyone knows what other planets we'll see in this game let me know.

You do realize that this game is not based solely on the films? I mean you must hate Kyle in the games and Mara, desann? lol I dislike Kyle because he's rather dull and Desann was Semi-evil, Lite-evil, 2% evil. lol

I assumed there were single bladed lightsabres with the option of wielding only one. As I said it should be about the skill of the jedi that determines who is better, not the weapon.

They say the sabre combat is based on the films. And the whole basis of my complaint is that it looks like the double sabre and twin sabre styles are BETTER- that is what I fear. I hope it will not be so.

No-one is going to cut through the weapon you describe with a causal stroke; the double-ended sabre can be with the most casual flick. That weakness is fatal.

And there are several important differences between a spear and a pike or spontoon, even though they are all polearms.

Hey if the semi evil Desann can find cortosis surely I could find a small amount for a double sided sabre. lol Anakin even had a handle damaged I believe, maybe they should all take this precaution? Also it was said that Exar Kun's sabre came apart and could be used as 2.

No not cut through a horse cutter, however if held at the very end when it hits the horse it's going to be lefted up and away from you leaving you very open.

Oh, cortosis, such a LAME plot idea that bears no relation to film-bases sabre fighting where such feeble concepts do not exist!

Cortosis was used in Outcast and was used HEAVILY in the old republic Not everyone could get a hold of the gems to make a lightsabre which would be far more dangerous to themselfs anyway, so a mineral such as cortosis was used to cover things like sith swords. By the trilogy however it's no longer needed as there are maybe a few dozen people that can use a sabre. Just letting you know, some of do know of the star wars that exists outside the movies.

Besides the fact that you make it clear that you'd be as predictible as possible and try to go for the hilt making you an easier target than the hilt itself. As the jedi sweeps straight down with his blade to strike the hilt the sith raises the right side of the double sabre blocking it while rotating left he uses the already lowered left side to take your leg off just below the knee, do you now understand your mistake in thinking that the single blade is vastly superior?

Kyle kartarn and JAn have no relation to the movie, then this whole game isn't worth talking about. Oh the hypocrisy.

Don't talk bull. Cortosis has ALWAYS been an incredibly lame plot development and, as I have pointed out before, the makers say the sabre combat is entirely FILM BASED. Sabre handles in the films are NOT made of cortosis and DO break when hit by a sabre! Use your brains before making accusations of hypocrisy.

"Besides the fact that you make it clear that you'd be as predictible as possible and try to go for the hilt making you an easier target than the hilt itself. As the jedi sweeps straight down with his blade to strike the hilt the sith raises the right side of the double sabre blocking it while rotating left he uses the already lowered left side to take your leg off just below the knee, do you now understand your mistake in thinking that the single blade is vastly superior?"

MORE bull. You clearly know nothing about swordfighting despite your protestations to the contrary. As if that is the ONLY move I will make, as if you can discount the fact the double sabre has a HUGE liability in the middle by trying to pass off some fancy move as a perfect way of making up for it despite it being something that will ALWAYS disadvantage you. As if you would certainly make the block because I do not move my blade, as if I would not strike for the hilt with a STAB, not a slash, and you cannot circular parry my stab without cutting your own chest out, as if you could POSSIBLY make a second blow without me being able to either move to block it OR move to simply strike the hilt again (no, you could NOT as my needed movement is half of yours, and your description seems to assume I will stand still)...

I am sorry- but your fighting words are feeble (and you have contradicted your earlier 'no blocking, only dodging' mentality). There is NO mistake- and I have seen analyses of this weapon done by people who know ten times more than you what they are talking about. Single blade is king in any LOGICAL sense, and single blade is used by the best fighters in the films as well.

This argument was recently done in the main Star Wars areas; I will repeat what I said there along with commentary by expert Bob Brown.

"You CANNOT use Mauls' weapon like a staff because you can ONLY hold the centre, you cannot hold it to your body and because your opponent can cut right through the hilt- like I said already, nearly all advantages it has from being a hafted weapon are lost by its very nature as a sabre. Your example is pretty irrelevant, also nonsensical- you bring the other blade towwards me, I block THAT as well. Bloody simple- you cannot bring both blades towards me at once and it is MUCH simpler for me to move a short distance to block than it is for you to bring your other blade around for a new attack. You don't HAVE any momentum on that side- your example makes no sense. I can block you all day doing slashes but you have a hell of a problem blocking my greater range of moves.

The advantages *I* can get by simply striking for your middle-and I have a greater reach because I can thrust without impaling myself on the other side of the weapon- are immense and the options you have to counter that few. You certainly cannot perform a circular disarm on me unless you want to neatly burn your own chest out in the process! NORMALLY a staff would have a longer reach than me because one can quickly move to hold it at the end, which is most of its advantage, certainly in bo staff fighting, but Maul's sabre- only holdable in the centre- does NOT. It has a decidedly shorter reach.

To quote the Bobmeister himself:

"THIS IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS WEAPON TO USE. The nature of ''hafted'' weapons is that one or the other end regularly comes close (and often into contact with) the wielders own body. This would be FATAL with a lightsabre blade! It would be surprising if Maul does not regularly trim the dangling sleeves of his Sith robes!... skilled opponents will try to bash the "butt blade" into his body by striking at the ''front blade''. Maul is unable to assume most forms of ''centre'' guard (without exposing his belly)... Truly I sympathise with prequel weapons-choreographer Nick Gillard, who had to create believable techniques for this suicidally dangerous weapon!"

The list of problems with it is ridiculous- it is dangerous, complicated, ungainly and clumsy, whereas a sabre is simple and elegant. The weapon is rubbish and expert analysis of it that I have seen agrees so; it was my brother who pointed it out to me and I respect his sword fighting knowledge a great deal. The reason they did not beat him quickly is because they were interested in having an interesting fight, not a realistic one (they would all be fencing matches like in ANH if they were realistic), and Nick could come up with some cool looking stuff with a double-ended sabre and two opponents- as Bob Brown said, it was a miracle he made it look believable at all, so ridiculous is the weapon. But anyone who claims the double-ended lightsabre is a BETTER weapon than a normal one knows little of swordfighting. I am sorry, that is just how it is.

In the end, the point remains that if it were a better weapon, then ALL the Masters would be using them. Dooku and Yoda and Windu are better swordsmen than Maul, and they use single blades. The use of the double by Maul was purely stylistic- and in film terms (film terms being the ones that make spaceships make noises in space, the force possible, and the double-ended sabre not SO rubbish that he was beaten at once), he fought just as well with the single. All it did for the fight was make him look good."

Hitting something that is 2 inches wide with a stab? AH HAHAHAHAHAHA
Face it buddy for everything out there there's going to be something to counteract it fire and flame retardant it's not lame it's it's just the laws of nature an endless cycle.

Stabs are more commonly side stepped as it is, now we've hypocrisy and a red harring, will logic elude you a 3rd time?

Again Jan and Kyle nor the chartacter you'll play as in this game have any part in your movies so give the "it must be in the movie to be a good game" a rest, eh the hostility bores me greatly.

Havr you not noitced it is two inches HIGH, not wide... it is VERY wide, and a stab can be flicked up or down. It really is VERY simple. And whilst everything can be countered, some things just have liabilities which are TOO big.

And no matter hosw bopred you are, it is nothing as to how bored I am with you not noticing that your Jan and Kyle examples are irrelevant to the point that the MAKERS OF THE GAME say the combat is FILM BASED. And the reason you are not refuting most of my points is because you cannot.

Yes indeed, the style was intimidating, however you've forgotten again Maul was not the only person to use a double sabre....your limited refences are growing more tirsome.

And due to the style and ability to use such a weapon you'd have to be more graceful and why the hell would you use the center of a staff or any double bladed weapon against someone with a sword?I suppose you want to lose a few fingers? Maybe your brother has? haha!

You do realize that there are weapons that blades that resemble a scimitar on each end that consume so much of the weapon it must be held center mass, any contact in mothion would result in an 'accident' so with the proper training and skill I find it hard to believe that no one could use the weapon correctly, no I don't believe either weapon is better, just like you said Maul used both just as well and so it comes downto what the 5th time? WHO HAS THE MOST SKILL. Guns Blasters Staffs and swords won't kill anyone if you don't have the skill to use them, but I'm wasting my time, this is the last post for me on this issue.

The face of the weapon is more than 2 inches wide? ah hahahahahah If so they'd not be able to hold it in their hands with a firm grasp it'd be like holding a pop can. hahahah. I don't refute them because they're absurd.

Flicked up or down? What does that matter when the person completely side stepped you? Can you even read do you know what these terms mean? Forget it budd you sunk your own battleship!!!!

The HILT. The VULNERABLE AREA is inches across as he holds it towards me. And where is this magical sidestep that I am powerless to do anything about? One on target thurst and flick and his weapon is in pieces. Most hafted weapons would NOT be held in the centre, which is my point, dah! With the double ended sabre you HAVE to!

And no matter who is the most skillful, the double-ended sabre is still a poor weapon. I happen to know pefectly well what I am talking about- instead of you, who says he is making a last post but makes two more, attacks me instead of attacking my arguments, and makes destructive criticism of no value whatsoever.

"Maybe your brother has? haha!"

That is uncalled for- do NOT make such comments again, clear?

In fact, your negative tone for this argument has already made it remarkably pointless; my argument has already been well made, I feel, so I do not wish to add to it furter. My point remains that if the double sabre or dual sabres in the game become superior weapons then that is a great error; other than that this particualr issue is done with, move on.