Odin in the Destroyer with the PG vs. Arishem

Originally posted by Galan007
So you believe that Odin with the power gem alone could match--or even come close to--the levels of a competent being in possession of ALL the infinity gems?

If that is your opinion, I can't help but facepalm. I mean, if that were the case, why would Thanos have even bothered collecting all the gems? Why not just stop at the power gem? Remember, each gem gives its wielder the highest possible level of mastery over the particular aspect it controls (under TOAA, of course.)

And, Thanos didn't have powers that deal with Time, Space, Soul, Mind and Reality. Especially at the time of the IG, he may have been powerful, but he was still just an alien super-being.

Odin, on the other hand, could be argued to have limited control or near-aspect-level dealings with Time, Space, Soul, Mind and Reality.

Where this goes, I don't know. It is just a proposed argument.

But, again, I never said that this strategy would give Odin the same power as the IG.

Um, I wanted to add: "So, jump back, Honky Cat!"

Originally posted by Horrificus
But, again, I never said that this strategy would give Odin the same power as the IG.

Originally posted by Horrificus

And, Thanos didn't have powers that deal with Time, Space, Soul, Mind and Reality. Especially at the time of the IG, he may have been powerful, but he was still just an alien super-being.

Didn't Thanos have the standard Eternal/Deviant powers of telepathy , telekinesis , teleportation , molecular manipulation etc . (all further amped up by Mistress Death for the purpose of wiping out half the universe , a power boost he used for stealing the gems from the Elders) back then ?

If he did , that would imply that he had powers related to Mind , Space, and (to an extent)Reality , at the very least .

Originally posted by Galan007
Good, because that's retarded.

But, I'll accept it. 😄

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Didn't Thanos have the standard Eternal/Deviant powers of telepathy , telekinesis , teleportation , molecular manipulation etc . (all further amped up by Mistress Death for the purpose of wiping out half the universe , a power boost he used for stealing the gems from the Elders) back then ?

If he did , that would imply that he had powers related to Mind , Space, and (to an extent)Reality , at the very least .

Which was why he was still, actually interesting! Outcomes were in question. Which makes for good stories.

And, I guess your argument could be used to say that we all have powers related to those specifics. Right?

Well, some of us. Personally, I use "Space", but that's about it. 😄

Originally posted by Horrificus
He hadn't been amp'd back then.

Originally posted by Horrificus
He hadn't been amp'd back then.

Which was why he was still, actually interesting! Outcomes were in question. Which makes for good stories.

Originally posted by Horrificus

And, I guess your argument could be used to say that we all have powers related to those specifics. Right?

Well, some of us. Personally, I use "Space", but that's about it. 😄

Originally posted by Galan007
So you believe that Odin with the power gem alone could match--or even come close to--the levels of a competent being in possession of ALL the infinity gems?

If that is your opinion, I can't help but facepalm. I mean, if that were the case, why would Thanos have even bothered collecting all the gems? Why not just stop at the power gem? Remember, each gem gives its wielder the highest possible level of mastery over the particular aspect it controls (under TOAA, of course.)

Galan the key here is the day. Now give Odin the PG and have him fight with it right away then he will be boosted but no where near IG levels.

Think about it. Odin is a supreme master of power manipulation (greater than Thanos). He should be able to double his power in a matter of seconds with the PG. A day has over 85 thousand seconds in it. Just imagine what level Odin will be at after the day is over.

Thanos doesn't have mastery over all the different aspects of the IG like Odin does.
Nor can he amp to levels at the rate Odin can.

Would Odin become more powerful? Absolutely. Not denying that. However, he would not be on par with a complete IG.

By that line of 'logic', Odin with the power gem alone = Odin with ALL of the infinity gems. I can't even take that notion seriously.

lol and people said I overrated Odin.

Originally posted by Galan007
Would Odin become more powerful? Absolutely. Not denying that. However, he would not be on par with a complete IG.

By that line of 'logic', Odin with the power gem alone = Odin with ALL of the infinity gems. I can't even take that notion seriously.

How long will it take, in your opinion, Odin to accumulate enough power to match the ig?

Also in your opinion to what degree will Odin be able to match the IG (10th power, 100th power, ...)?

In no way is this an attempt to debate against you. You could have a point. I just would like to know your opinion on how far Odin is away from IG status (in terms of quantity).

Odin, with just the power gem, could never 'accumulate' IG-level power--not even close. Again, by your line of logic, Odin with the power gem alone = Odin with all of the infinity gems.

That makes no sense. None.

Well, although I do not want to get dragged into the argument of Odin+PG=IG, my point is that a Skyfather of Odin's level does have high-levels of experience and potential to work with and manipulate Reality, Mind, Soul, Power, Space and Time.

And, access to the Power Gem could potentially bolster that.

Originally posted by Galan007
Odin, with just the power gem, could never 'accumulate' IG-level power--not even close. Again, by your line of logic, Odin with the power gem alone = Odin with all of the infinity gems.

That makes no sense. None.

So you are saying that Odin to the googol power isn't enough?

Originally posted by h1a8
So you are saying that Odin to the googol power isn't enough?

Originally posted by Galan007
The infinite power gained by all 6 infinity gems >[g_infinity] Odin to the googol power.

Originally posted by h1a8
lol That's crazy.
You know the universe isn't infinite right? That means if the IG grants universal power then it is limited.

Odin with all 6 gems>>Odin with the power gem alone. Why? Because 6 gems>1 gem. Not even debatable.

Originally posted by Galan007
This is a fictional topic we're discussing--keep that in mind. That said, it has been stated dozens of times that the IG grants its wielder the highest possible level of infinite power, under TOAA.

Odin with all 6 gems>>Odin with the power gem alone. Why? Because 6 gems>1 gem. Not even debatable.

I call BS. Show me where it states this. You know that many beings have been said to be omnipotent in comics right (including Odin himself). That's why we use feats. But if it has been stated multiple times then I will go with it. Show me a few times please.

Also
LT>IG
So how does the IG grant the highest level of power under TOAA again?

Originally posted by h1a8
I call BS. Show me where it states this. You know that many beings have been said to be omnipotent in comics right (including Odin himself). That's why we use feats. But if it has been stated multiple times then I will go with it. Show me a few times please.

Also
LT>IG
So how does the IG grant the highest level of power under TOAA again?

When LT judged against the IG, he "represented" the power of TOAA, and he still wasn't sure if he had the power to take the gauntlet by force. This was also explicitly stated. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not going to show you a thing. A simple search will find you everything you need--or better yet: read the pertinent comics. 🙂

When LT judged against the IG, he "represented" the power of TOAA, and he still wasn't sure if he had the power to take the gauntlet by force. This was also explicitly stated. 🙂

I read through those comics a long while ago. I don't remember anything you are talking about (it being second only to TOAA). Maybe I missed it, where should I search then?