Originally posted by Tar-AntadoAll it takes is time.
Kinda baffled on how Odin with the power gem would even come close to a competent wielder of the full IG. I'm sure he won't. With the gems the sum is so much greater than the parts.
Originally posted by h1a8
All it takes is time.
The IG doesn't have infinite power. Otherwise the LT or TOAA wouldn't be able to be above it. It was shown only to have universal power. The universe is finite.
With a full day of amping who knows where Odin will be. Hell Dr. Strange went toe to toe with the IG for a small moment. What does that mean?
The IG does have infinite power , only its infinity isn't the highest level of infinity , it is second to that of TOAA . When it comes to infinite power , Marvel has established levels of infinity , and this is based on an actual mathematical study done by the late Georg Cantor , which Zopzop provided a long time back in the Lucifer VS Thanos(w/ IG) thread .
As far as the IG being only universal goes , ample evidence was provided by MrMaster in that very same thread(Lucifer VS Thanos), which revealed that only does the IG have a trans-multiversal scale of power , it is quite possibly omniversal as well .
As far as Dr.Strange goes , he only stalemated individual gems , and he essentially needed every last artifact(and most of these artifacts are powered by high level Elder Gods, beings considerably above skyfathers like Odin) he possessed to accomplish such a feat .
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
The IG does have infinite power , only its infinity isn't the highest level of infinity , it is second to that of TOAA . When it comes to infinite power , Marvel has established levels of infinity , and this is based on an actual mathematical study done by the late Georg Cantor , which Zopzop provided a long time back in the Lucifer VS Thanos(w/ IG) thread .As far as the IG being only universal goes , ample evidence was provided by MrMaster in that very same thread(Lucifer VS Thanos), which revealed that only does the IG have a trans-multiversal scale of power , it is quite possibly omniversal as well .
As far as Dr.Strange goes , he only stalemated individual gems , and he essentially needed every last artifact(and most of these artifacts are powered by high level Elder Gods, beings considerably above skyfathers like Odin) he possessed to accomplish such a feat .
Math and the nature of the universe are two different things. For example, with math Zenos' paradox still hold true.
Lastly, if showings contradict what is said then we ignore what is said and go by what is shown. The IG never showed infinite power. For example, with infinite force I can touch something and instantly disintegrate it. If I touch something and it just breaks to pieces then this is not infinite force but a finite force.
Originally posted by h1a8
Math and the nature of the universe are two different things. For example, with math Zenos' paradox still hold true.Lastly, if showings contradict what is said then we ignore what is said and go by what is shown. The IG never showed infinite power. For example, with infinite force I can touch something and instantly disintegrate it. If I touch something and it just breaks to pieces then this is not infinite force but a finite force.
Funny that you try to dismiss Marvel's established opinion regarding infinities , and a mathematical theory which supports it , and in the very next paragraph of your reply try to use math to dismiss the idea of the IG possessing infinite power .
The IG does have infinite power(under only TOAA) , and no amount of your self-contradictory and BS claims are going to change that fact .
Figured how to clarify and explain this before it goes on forever.
Each gem is a key, allowing a user to gain the highest level of control over it's "element". Power, Soul, etc.
They do not require a specific power level, in order to give this highest level of control.
For instance, the Power Gem is not needed to give a wielder of the Soul Gem the highest level of control over "Soul".
It may be feasible that Odin, already having some control over Reality, Soul, Mind, Time and Space, would be able to figure out how to use the Power Gem to bolster his mastery of these elements to a very high level.
But, he would never be able to equal the level of mastery that comes from actual possession of the gems.
Control of a Gem, means control of that universal component.
In other words, if you have the Mind Gem, you should always be able to trump ANY other manipulation of the mind in the 616 universe and so on.
Originally posted by HorrificusWe've been saying this the entire time. So, yeah, I agree. 👆
It may be feasible that Odin, already having some control over Reality, Soul, Mind, Time and Space, would be able to figure out how to use the Power Gem to bolster his mastery of these elements to a very high level.But, he would never be able to equal the level of mastery that comes from actual possession of the gems.
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Funny that you try to dismiss Marvel's established opinion regarding infinities , and a mathematical theory which supports it , and in the very next paragraph of your reply try to use math to dismiss the idea of the IG possessing infinite power .The IG does have infinite power(under only TOAA) , and no amount of your self-contradictory and BS claims are going to change that fact .
Give me proof of:
1. The IG is under TOAA (LT contradicts that fact)
2. The IG gives infinite power.
Originally posted by janus77
Hood with PG wasn't strong enough to prevent Rulk from grabbing it.Odin has zero chance of posing a threat to a Celestial. Zero chance.
Celestials are not that powerful over Odin. I would say a Celestial (not a host) is about 20-100 times more powerful than Odin. And that's being generous.
Originally posted by h1a8
Can the PG possibly give infinite power?Give me proof of:
1. The IG is under TOAA (LT contradicts that fact)
2. The IG gives infinite power.
I am going to do nothing of the sort . All the relevant info and scans are provided in both the IG's Respect thread(made by Galan) and LT's Respect thread(made by MrMaster) .
As I said before , on-panel evidence > your BS claims . Deal with it .
If the pg didn't boost a wielder's stats Thor would not have been able to do what he did with the pg and what he was becoming. You can eat all the steaks you want but you aren't going to bench twice as much just by having the extra energy. If Thor with the pg was doing stuff that he couldn't do without it, who knows, the pg could amp odins time and reality manipulation powers to the nth level as well. It doesn't make sense but pg Thor was benching twice as much and getting stronger by just having more steaks.