Originally posted by abhilegendSo if he was never portrayed as a full powered silver or bronze age character in post-IC continuity, why are we trying to apply those power levels to him here?
He wasn't to begin with. His feats are still applicable which includes him travelling between dimensions and the edge of universe in a few panels.
Can you at least see why I find it faulty?
Originally posted by JakeTheBankNonsensical points. What else? uhuh
WTF are you even arguing about? 😂
Originally posted by Galan007
So if he was never portrayed as a full powered silver or bronze age character in post-IC continuity, why are we trying to apply those power levels to him here?Can you at least see why I find it faulty?
Nonsensical points. What else? uhuh
He was still powerful enough to knock superman of earth-one in a single hit in COIE. Its not totally ABC logic.
^ Not sure why you posted that.
Again, I am exclusively referring to how post-IC Kal was portrayed--which was decisively below a true silver/bronze age Kryptonian. And since he was never portrayed in those levels, I find it faulty to try and apply those feats to him. In post-IC continuity he was powerful--just not THAT powerful.
= all I'm saying.
Originally posted by Galan007
^ Not sure why you posted that.Again, I am exclusively referring to how post-IC Kal was portrayed--which was decisively below a true silver/bronze age Kryptonian. And since he was never portrayed in those levels, I find it faulty to try and apply those feats to him. In post-IC continuity he was powerful--just not THAT powerful.
= all I'm saying.
Originally posted by abhilegendYou yourself admitted that Kal was NOT depicted as a full powered silver/bronze age Kryptonian in post-IC continuity (which is absolutely correct.) Yet you still want to use those decades old feats on his behalf? Makes no sense.
Untill he was officially depowered, all of those feats still apply to him. That's all I'm saying.srug
All those pre-crisis feats show me is what Kal used to be capable of--certainly not what he was capable of, post-IC. Again, when Johns resurrected Kal, he clearly made him roughly equal to mainstream Supes (maybe a little weaker.) That's it. Both of them were still WELL below Prime, who was closer to a true silver age Kryptonian, but still not quite on that level.
Originally posted by Galan007
You yourself admitted that Kal was NOT depicted as a full powered silver/bronze age Kryptonian in post-IC continuity (which is absolutely correct.) Yet you still want to use those decades old feats on his behalf? Makes no sense.All those pre-crisis feats show me is what Kal used to be capable of--certainly not what he was capable of, post-IC. Again, when Johns resurrected Kal, he clearly made him roughly equal to mainstream Supes (maybe a little weaker.) That's it. Both of them were still WELL below Prime, who was closer to a true silver age Kryptonian, but still not quite on that level.
Originally posted by abhilegendI'm not talking about Kal getting BFR'd to a different dimension. I'm talking about him getting BFR'd a few million light years away. With stats equal to, or slightly below mainstream Superman, he isn't covering that distance in a reasonable amount of time--thus he gets DQ'd from the match. Feel me?
This is getting us nowhere. Kal has feats to show he was still able to travel between dimensions even after he was shown to be weaker than earth-one superman where he was his exact equal before. So those feats would still be applicable to him.
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I'm also curious to see these dimension hopping feats.
Originally posted by abhilegendConsidering a post-crisis Kryptonian did hit Zoom, I do think it's possible. 😉
You think someone close to a post crisis kryptonian can hit zoom while he is in full speed mode?
Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not talking about Kal getting BFR'd to a different dimension. I'm talking about him getting BFR'd a few million light years away. With stats equal to, or slightly below mainstream Superman, he isn't covering that distance in a reasonable amount of time--thus he gets DQ'd from the match. Feel me?[edit]
I'm also curious to see these dimension hopping feats.Considering a post-crisis Kryptonian did hit Zoom, I do think it's possible. 😉
Originally posted by abhilegendStamina-wise, mainstream Supes>Kal. Think before you get pissy.
He wasn't weaker than superman. Get that shit outta here.
Originally posted by abhilegendSurfer or Thor most likely.
I asked who is teleporting him that far away?
Originally posted by abhilegendYou're using Kal landing a single punch on Zoom (a punch that had no effect whatsoever, btw) as your basis that Kal is now>mainstream Supes? Good God. By that line of 'logic', Dianna>mainstream Supes as well.
That's how he traveled between earth-one and earth-two in their annual team ups. Superman was blitzed by zoom by the same writer, Kal-L oneshotted him while he tried to blitz him. Easily tells us who was superior.
At any rate, Kal and Supes were always portrayed as equals during IC...
-Fighting each other (even though mainstream Supes wasn't really fighting back.)
-Fighting Doomsday.
-Fighting the other villains.
-Fighting Prime.
Equals. Always.
Originally posted by Galan007
Stamina-wise, mainstream Supes>Kal. Think before you get pissy.Surfer or Thor most likely.
You're using Kal landing a single punch on Zoom (a punch that had no effect whatsoever, btw) as your basis that Kal is now>mainstream Supes? Good God. By that line of 'logic', Dianna>mainstream Supes as well.
At any rate, Kal and Supes were always portrayed as equals during IC...
-Fighting each other (even though mainstream Supes wasn't really fighting back.)
-Fighting Doomsday.
-Fighting the other villains.
-Fighting Prime.Equals. Always.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Nope. He was effected more by red sun radiation by being a PC kryptonian like prime, that's all. Surfer or thor has teleported someone to lightyears away? Scans? Considering geoff johns wrote both IC 7 and GL 12 where zoom fared against Kal-L and superman, that's more relevant than diana lassoing zoom and punching him. Not to mention zoom blitzed diana under johns too. No, he wasn't. Doomsday punched superman down, Kal effortlessely stopped his punch and doomsday broke a bone. Not to mention breaking the walls of paradise dimension. Anyway a portrayal doesn't invalidates a canon feat. Superman getting koed by a nuke doesn't invalidates his previous feat. Superman stalemating Kal-L doesn't means Kal is weaker than his previous CANON portrayal, it means that superman is that strong.
Consistent portrayals do tell you what level a character is currently operating at though. Even without an official upgrade or downgrade, how they are consistently portrayed tells you everything about a current or most recent version of a character.
Originally posted by jalek moyeThis.
Consistent portrayals do tell you what level a character is currently operating at though. Even without an official upgrade or downgrade, how they are consistently portrayed tells you everything about a current or most recent version of a character.
No reason to argue anything else. The only point is that post-IC Kal simply was not portrayed at silver/bronze age levels. Thus using feats from that era on behalf of post-IC Kal doesn't strike me as entirely logical.
Originally posted by jalek moye
Consistent portrayals do tell you what level a character is currently operating at though. Even without an official upgrade or downgrade, how they are consistently portrayed tells you everything about a current or most recent version of a character.
