Originally posted by red sabreCarter has posted the scans a few times in threads
300x of light? you are so going to have to prove it.even then its travel speed what the hell does it have to do with fighting speed? if someone can fly at a specific levels of speed it doesnt mean he can move at that level of speed by overall combat or action movement, gladiator maybe faster than each of them but not to the point they are statues to him who ever said that is an idiot, and specially with namor on the team who got great speed feats under his belt and who easily went up against top dogs with superhuman speed, gladiator's speed never gave him any advantage that stopped him from getting his ass kicked by the likes of hulk thor and black bolt so leave that "speedblitz" crap to yourself.
Originally posted by red sabre
nothing to gladiator? who is lowballing now? good ol benny boy went up against anyone you want he is as tough as they get and even if he is not up there with them he can give a good fight, i never said any one of them can overpower gladiator on their own however combined they will beat him down so stop with the gladiator wanking.its not about how importrant gladiator is its about the feats and if by feats he cant hang with the big boys on the top of the herald chain then he cant, you cant go on and cry me that they beat the shit of him every time they fight just because he is not as important as them, then what makes you think he is on their level? if feats say otherwise then what makes you believe so? your own personal wanking? we are talking about Marvel comics gladiator not "the sorrow" gladiator, and if we discuss marvel comics gladiator than he doesnt have the feats to suggest he is going to take the 3 of them in H2H alone, and yes thing and colossus together can physically overpower gladiator he didnt present anything to be far beyond them and specially not the 2 of them combined.
Stating facts isn't wanking a character. Ben has plenty of heart but he isn't actually a threat to most top tier heralds unless they literally try to beat him by using their face to block his punches. A guy who can move/destroy planets is far stronger than the combined might of classic Thing, Colossus and Namor.
Serious question seeing as you know so much about Glads, which top tiers have actually stomped him?
Originally posted by The Sorrow
😂Stating facts isn't wanking a character. Ben has plenty of heart but he isn't actually a threat to most top tier heralds unless they literally try to beat him by using their face to block his punches. A guy who can move/destroy planets is far stronger than the combined might of classic Thing, Colossus and Namor.
Serious question seeing as you know so much about Glads, which top tiers have actually stomped him?
this is not a discussion of can ben alone beat gladiator or not, this is a discussion of colossus thing and namor combined taking on him H2H, i already said that with all powers he wins, however only H2H he goes down, a guy who can move planets? prove he can move planets, destroy one? he busted some rock in space which we dont even know the size of it and suddenly he bust planets? how big was that rock planet compared to earth? get out of here.
its not about who can deal more damage its about the fact all those 3 combined with tactics and pure strength can overcome gladiator and beat the crap out of him as simple as it is, this and hulk alone were able to tear off thor's arm tear off his eye and trash him, thats the difference numbers make even when you fight guys that are inferior to you, while namor and colossus are no hulk gladiator is no thor, those 3 will overpower and kill gladiator eventually.
Originally posted by red sabre
thats interesting because his "nanoseconds" reflex (which i doubt he has) never stopped him from getting slaughtered by the phoenix 5, the phoenix force didnt make colossus faster only more powerful and he was tagging gladiator just fine, same goes for namor, his reflexes never stopped from thor and from masterson owning him like a step child, never stopped freakin hulk from taking a big green crap on him, each of the characters he is facing here went up against all the super human speedsters and did just fine even if they got outmatched by speed its not to a great deal point, and specially if freakin namor is on their team.
There's some context there, however. Gladiator sacrificed himself as a diversion to give Warbird time to extract Kid Gladiator. Why they couldn't simply teleport him out onto their ships from space and fly off, I have no idea (well, I have an idea, plot of the story), but Gladiator took on the Phoenix 5 in that manner for a reason.
Also, the reason Gladiator trades blows with slower opponents is the same reason Flash does, Superman does, Wonder Woman does, Surfer does, etc. Stories need conflict. A Superman vs. Grundy fight would suck if Supes just pummeled him at light speed before Grundy could react whenever they fought. Luckily that's not an issue here on KMC.
Originally posted by red sabre
carver you are just a pathetic liar that always make shit up, twist things, twist events, making a fool out himself and knows he wont get banned, so you come into threads and make all kind of bullshit arguments expecting people to take you seriously while you are trolling them, so get lost i am not the one to take you seriously but do me a favor and stop lying and twisting events because if you cant debate a character to be better based on his real feats than whats the point of trying to help him in the first place? if masterson owned gladiator and you twist it into gladiator owning him with a punch then whats the point of this aside of being a troll? take your shit and get the phuck out of this thread because i want to see 1 hulk or gladiator thread that is being discussed properly without your trollish ass arriving and starting to talk shit.
I ask again, what did I lie about.?
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Takes out a Phoenix.
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Wonderman
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I will be back with the Centurians scans. You don't know the character.
Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
I hate debaters like red sabre. They have to bash and insult in every post to make a point.And he is 100% wrong.
i hate "debaters" like the hacker that hacked colossus big c's account and using it right now to post and not even debating just trying to make his opinion as a fact.
Originally posted by red sabre
are you listening to yourself? you are bitching about how marvel portray their character and then claim he is suppose to be more powerful? according to who? who said his powerset should be beyond the level he is portrayed? if he is constantly portrayed that way that means HE IS that way and this is his power level who are you or anyone else for that matter to come and say he should be more powerful than the goddamn writers themselves are portraying him? he is what he is and he is the punching bag of the real high heralds and therefor he is not at their level and wont be.
Dude has the same powers as Superman. Can Destroy planets with his fist. Fly 100x the speed of light. has Hammer shots from Thor bounce off of him. Dude common sense tells you that alone makes him stronger than all three of them.
Originally posted by carver9
I ask again, what did I lie about.?http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/60603030cg2.jpg/
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Takes out a Phoenix.
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Wonderman
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I will be back with the Centurians scans. You don't know the character.
he didnt knock out the thing with a punch thing wasnt knocked out.
hyperbole statements are made all the time, facts are wonder man punch sent him flying with his punch it doesnt help gladiator in any case.
you were lying about masterson thor gladiator got his shit pushed in by masterson and had his friends dragging his fainted body out of there.
others dont mean much and arent that great of feats in the first place.
the breaking hyperion neck is a different reality not canon.
on the other hand canon feats such as getting overtaken by black bolt, owned by silver surfer, owned by thor, owned by masterson, owned by hulk, owned by champion, owned by the phoenix 5 is canon and did happen he sucks.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
Dude has the same powers as Superman. Can Destroy planets with his fist. Fly 100x the speed of light. has Hammer shots from Thor bounce off of him. Dude common sense tells you that alone makes him stronger than all three of them.
he has a similar powerset doesnt mean its to the level of superman kido.
hammer shots from thor bounce off him? wtf? show it to me because thor bashed his ass and so did masterson
what common sense? if he has similar powerset to superman doesnt mean its on the same level.
Originally posted by red sabre
he has a similar powerset doesnt mean its to the level of superman kido.hammer shots from thor bounce off him? wtf? show it to me because thor bashed his ass and so did masterson
what common sense? if he has similar powerset to superman doesnt mean its on the same level.
Dude I am done. I just don't care if you believe or not. I do not have the patience of Carver, PR and the others.
@ Red...
After that punch, Wonderman got punched into the core of the planet. Let's not pretend like Wonderman is weak, he punched Thor some distance and threw and boulder on top of him.
Lol...Masterson got punched one time and complained about the headache and pain he was in after this punch. After this Gladiator blitz him and makes his body go limp. Masterson even admitted it was hard for him to move. The ONLY time Masterson got an advantage was from a sneak attack. Reread the fight.
Lol...the Hyperion fight is CANON. Hahahahahaha...I'm done debating against you, I can tell you don't know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by carver9
I ask again, what did I lie about.?http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/408/60603030cg2.jpg/
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Takes out a Phoenix.
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Wonderman
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I will be back with the Centurians scans. You don't know the character.
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Just compare namor vs black bolt to black bolt vs gladiator
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Gladiator is not far above namor in strength.
Originally posted by red sabre
this is not a discussion of can ben alone beat gladiator or not, this is a discussion of colossus thing and namor combined taking on him H2H, i already said that with all powers he wins, however only H2H he goes down, a guy who can move planets? prove he can move planets, destroy one? he busted some rock in space which we dont even know the size of it and suddenly he bust planets? how big was that rock planet compared to earth? get out of here.its not about who can deal more damage its about the fact all those 3 combined with tactics and pure strength can overcome gladiator and beat the crap out of him as simple as it is, this and hulk alone were able to tear off thor's arm tear off his eye and trash him, thats the difference numbers make even when you fight guys that are inferior to you, while namor and colossus are no hulk gladiator is no thor, those 3 will overpower and kill gladiator eventually.
It's stated he can move planets in nearly every arc Gladiator appears in and he's moved a planetary sized asteroid with "ease". The "rock in space" was said to have survived in a galaxy where other planets perished and he 3 shotted it. Does it really matter how big it was compared it Earth? Even a small planet is still leagues beyond Namor, Thing and Colossus.
The Hulk and Thing vs Thor instance is not canon and holds no relevance here, especially when the real Hulk takes on teams like this for fun. If Gladiator is serious he can quickly dispatch or at least badly hurt either Thing and/or Colossus with one solid punch.
@abhi...
Blackbolt usually use his voice against Glads just like he has done to Magneto, Hulk, and Sentry. He didn't use that against Namor, he went straight fist cuffs.
Also, lol, Black Bolt was amped when he charged Gladiator in that scan...that's why they used the white noise, to get rip of said amp.
Binary charged a ship but later regained her power. She rested after this and went to the planet after being fully replenished and fought Gladiator. She was koed since we didn't see her anytime after that blow.
I never said Namor was weak by the way...remember, I was the one that said based off of his showings, he could probably pull some wins against Superman in a fist cuff match.
Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
dgrin Say what raggy????!!!!
http://herochat.com/forum/index.php?topic=211938.0
See here for the rivalry between hulk and namor
http://hero-envy.blogspot.in/2012/02/hulk-vs-sub-mariner.html
