Franklin Richards VS Dreaming Celestial

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And its right there in black and white as well , that the power-receptors only enable him to mimic the "function" of their powers . The word "nature" isn't mentioned , and the anti-matter flame scan which I provided proves that the nature of his powers is in all likelihood dissimilar to that of the FF's .

The fact is IW's powers, Reed's powers, Johnny's powers, Ben's powers, SSs' powers, are derived from cosmic rays. Her powers are NOT derived from hyperspace. It was explained that her force fields are hyperspace constructs and that's it.

Originally posted by zopzop
That is one panel. What is the context? What issue did it take place in?

The fact is IW's powers, Reed's powers, Johnny's powers, Ben's powers, SSs' powers, are derived from cosmic rays. Her powers are NOT derived from hyperspace. It was explained that her force fields are hyperspace constructs and that's it.

Already answered :

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I did show something . I have already provided the name of the title in the post in which that scan is originally posted . That was a demonstration of his powers . Here's the whole scene(about his flame powers) :

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I did show something . I have already provided the name of the title in the post in which that scan is originally posted . That was a demonstration of his powers . Here's the whole scene(about his flame powers) :

"We have given him all the powers of the FF and even more".
and last but not least
"I have been given one power not even the Human Torch has"
guess what it was?
😆

See how you fail?

Originally posted by zopzop
The first page betrays you.

"We have given him all the powers of the FF and even more".
and last but not least
"I have been given one power not even the Human Torch has"
guess what it was?
😆

See how you fail?

Explain to me how do I fail . The scan you yourself provided very specifically mentions that he mimics the "function" of their power .
It appears that I am not the one who's failing here .

As far as the the flame demo of the SS goes , all it proves is that the SS can destroy anything(unlike Johnny) , due to the fact that his flames are made of anti-matter .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Explain to me how do I fail . The scan you yourself provided very specifically mentions that he mimics the "function" of their power .
It appears that I am not the one who's failing here .

As far as the the flame demo of the SS goes , all it proves is that the SS can destroy anything(unlike Johnny) , due to the fact that his flames are made of anti-matter .

This is rich! 😆 💃

Originally posted by zopzop
OMG, you didn't even read the scans did you?

This is rich! 😆 💃

I did read my scans AS WELL as yours .

Originally posted by zopzop
Yes a war initiated by the Celestials. Watchers are allowed to defend themselves if attacked without breaking their oath. So that "War" comment is meaningless since the Watchers could have been doing what they have been doing all along.

"Cosmic war"
"Facing off"
"Major conflict"

Again, we only saw the end of the conflict--however, The One (at a minimum) had been fighting the Celestials on some level. Clearly. After he was killed, the Watchers no longer tried to defend themselves. Your blatant disregard for what we were told on panel astounds.

Originally posted by zopzop
It was NOT a blanket comment, the ONLY people present when he was speaking those words were the FF. 🙄

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I did read my scans AS WELL as yours .

Originally posted by zopzop
Obviously you didn't or you would have answered your own question.

I did . So far you haven't provided proof that the nature of their powers is identical .

As I said before , in this case , absence of evidence = evidence of absence .

Originally posted by Galan007
*It was stated that this particular battle between the Watchers and Celestials was a "cosmic war". It was stated that the army of Watchers were "facing off" against the Celestials. The F4 stated that they stumbled into a "major conflict".*

"Cosmic war"
"Facing off"
"Major conflict"

Again, we only saw the end of the conflict--however, The One (at a minimum) had been fighting the Celestials on some level. Clearly. After he was killed, the Watchers no longer tried to defend themselves. Your blatant disregard for what we were told on panel astounds.

The Watchers were on the same phucking battlefield as Sue/Nathaniel. AGAIN: That comment did NOT have a cap--you are making that part up. Sue was the only being capable of preforming that feat.

PROOF they didn't want to interfere even if they would be destroyed :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35192/1335555-f440006gg6.jpg

Genius, the ONLY people present when Nathanial made that claim were the FF, he wasn't speaking of the Watchers :
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/f42.jpg
You're not even trying anymore are you?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I did . So far you haven't provided proof that the nature of their powers is identical .

As I said before , in this case , absence of evidence = evidence of absence .

You produced a scan showing SS deploying antimatter fire and said it was proof that his fire wasn't identical to the Human Torches.

Then I asked you for the entire scan in context, not just a panel.

Then the scan showed that he not only had all the FFs powers, but more. He STATED POINT BLANK ON PANEL, that he not only could burn hotter and longer than the Torch, he also had a power the Torch didn't possses an antimatter fire blast.

Understand?

Originally posted by zopzop
Like I said, since we saw NOTHING on panel, the Watchers are allowed to defend themselves without breaking their non interference oath. So yeah.

Again, we only saw the end of the conflict--however, The One (at a minimum) had been fighting the Celestials on some level. Clearly. After he was killed, the Watchers no longer tried to defend themselves. Your blatant disregard for what we were told on panel astounds.

Originally posted by zopzop
PROOF they didn't want to interfere even if they would be destroyed :
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/35192/1335555-f440006gg6.jpg

Seriously, what isn't computing here?

Originally posted by zopzop
Genius, the ONLY people present when Nathanial made that claim were the FF, he wasn't speaking of the Watchers :
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u43/Galan007/f42.jpg
You're not even trying anymore are you?

Again: The Watchers were on the same phucking battlefield as Sue/Nathaniel when that blanket comment was made.

...Genius.

Originally posted by Galan007
"Cosmic war"
"Facing off"
"Major conflict"

Again, we only saw the end of the conflict--however, The One (at a minimum) had been fighting the Celestials on some level. Clearly. After he was killed, the Watchers no longer tried to defend themselves. Your blatant disregard for what we were told on panel astounds.

This was AFTER The One had been trounced by Exitar--which means it was at the END of their battle.

Seriously, what isn't computing here?

😂

Again: The Watchers were on the same phucking battlefield as Sue/Nathaniel when that blanket comment was made.

...Genius.

They weren't ACTIVELY attacking the Celestials and stood by their vow. Uatu indirectly manipulated the FF to do their bidding without breaking his Oath.

You can't avoid what's stated directly on panel.

Nathaniel was directly addressing the FF with those comments. I'd say this type of trolling was beneath you but you've sunk to new lows in this thread.

Originally posted by zopzop
TGK stop playing stupid. It's annoying.

You produced a scan showing SS deploying antimatter fire and said it was proof that his fire wasn't identical to the Human Torches.

Then I asked you for the entire scan in context, not just a panel.

Then the scan showed that he not only had all the FFs powers, but more. He STATED POINT BLANK ON PANEL, that he not only could burn hotter and longer than the Torch, he also had a power the Torch didn't possses an antimatter fire blast.

Understand?

He stated that he could destroy "anything" , BECAUSE his fireball was composed of anti-matter . Being able to destroy anything(by virtue of having anti-matter flames) is the power he speaks of .
Btw , anti-matter fire is virtually identical to normal fire , with the only exception being that in contact with normal matter(like the mountain he destroyed in those panels) , it would produce an exponentially greater energy output . That is what makes it exceptional , and an improvised version of Johnny's powers .

Still waiting for your proof that the nature of his powers are identical to the FF's .

Originally posted by zopzop
Didn't you READ the fxxking thing? Huntara or whatever her name was asked why they weren't fighting back, the Human Torch said it wasnt' their way.

They weren't ACTIVELY attacking the Celestials and stood by their vow. Uatu indirectly manipulated the FF to do their bidding without breaking his Oath.

You can't avoid what's stated directly on panel.

Seriously, what isn't computing here?

Originally posted by zopzop
Nathaniel was directly addressing the FF with those comments. I'd say this type of trolling was beneath you but you've sunk to new lows in this thread.

Frankly your incessant rude comments toward myself and TGK make me realize how desperate you are here.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
He stated that he could destroy "[b]anything" , BECAUSE his fireball was composed of anti-matter . Being able to destroy anything(by virtue of having anti-matter flames) is the power he speaks .
Btw , anti-matter fire is virtually identical to normal fire , with the only exception being that in contact with normal matter(like the mountain he destroyed in those panels) , it would produce an exponentially greater energy output . That is what makes it exceptional , and an improvised version of Johnny's powers .

Still waiting for your proof that the nature of his powers are identical to the FF's . [/B]

It's right there on panel.

I know it's hard but don't just look at the pretty pictures, READ the funny lettering called "words" that are there too. Puts the whole thing in context.

Originally posted by Galan007
The other Watchers weren't actively fighting by the time the F4 entered the fray (which was at the end of the battle)--The One (at a minimum), however, had been (confirmed by multiple statements.)

Seriously, what isn't computing here?

It was a blanket comment. Nothing alluded to it being directly exclusively toward the F4. Again, you're making that part up--which IS trolling.

Frankly your incessant rude comments toward myself and TGK make me realize how desperate you are here.

Nathanial was CLEARLY talking to the FF since the Watchers weren't actively fighting the Celestials.

The "rude comments" are because I'm being trolled by two posters ignoring what's shown clear as day on panel.

Originally posted by zopzop
OMG, you've lost it. He said he could duplicate the Human Torch's powers AND he had one ability even the Human Torch didn't, it was the antimatter fireball.

It's right there on panel.

I know it's hard but don't just look at the pretty pictures, READ the funny lettering called "words" that are there too. Puts the whole thing in context.

And the power he speaks of is the ability to "destroy anything" , by virtue of having anti-matter fire .

I have already explained how anti-matter fire compares to regular fire , and it appears that this explanation flew straight over your head .

Also , when are you going to provide proof that the nature of his powers are identical to the FF's ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
And the power he speaks of is the ability to "[b]destroy anything" , by virtue of having anti-matter fire .

I have already explained how anti-matter fire compares to regular fire , and it appears that this explanation flew straight over your head .

Also , when are you going to provide proof that the nature of his powers are identical to the FF's ? [/B]

Your own scans made a fool of you and you're just trolling at this point.

The antimatter fireball was the ONE new power the the SS had that the Human Torch didn't. That wasn't a power he was duplicating, it was a new ability the Skrull tech gave him!

Both the SS and the FF derived their powers from Cosmic Rays.

Originally posted by zopzop
🙄

Your own scans made a fool of you and you're just trolling at this point.

The antimatter fireball was the ONE new power the the SS had that the Human Torch didn't. That wasn't a power he was duplicating, it was a new ability the Skrull tech gave him!

Both the SS and the FF derived their powers from Cosmic Rays.

No they didn't .

The special new power that he had , was being able to "destroy anything" by virtue of having anti-matter fire .

That still doesn't prove that the nature of their powers are identical , merely that the function is(as your own scan flat out tells us) .