Franklin Richards VS Dreaming Celestial

Originally posted by Galan007
So no proof then? Good to know. 👆

The Amazo analogy fits so perfectly that it's ridiculous.

More name-calling, eh? How immature.

The Watcher's WERE acting. You must have ignored/missed the multiple statements from the issue I posted above. You're also assuming the Watchers could have duplicated the Hyperspace weakness, despite Nathaniel flat-out stating that Sue was the ONLY being capable of preforming this feat.

Good lord, you're falling apart.

How exactly were the other Watchers engaging the Celestials? Because we've seen that self defense doesn't count as breaking the Watchers oath of non interference.

Uatu acted indirectly by manipulating the FF to do their dirty work. It was stated on panel.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
On what basis do you assume that the hyperspace explanation should automatically extend to SS as well ? The hyperspace explanation , as you yourself have said , came decades later , however not once was this explanation extended to Superskrull's abilities . Unless and until you can provide a scan or issue which states otherwise . Can you ?

Burden of proof is on you .

Originally posted by zopzop
When the fxxk would this come up in a comic involving Super Skrull? He duplicated their powers right down to how they acquired them. The only thing Defalco did was expand on the nature of her invisible force fields. That's it.

So no proof ? Thought so .

Originally posted by zopzop
I provided the proof.

Again, I liken the Skrull to Amazo in this regard.

Originally posted by zopzop
Uatu vs Aaron is meaningless since it was Aaron that broke his oath and Uatu responded and took him out.

How exactly were the other Watchers engaging the Celestials? Because we've seen that self defense doesn't count as breaking the Watchers oath of non interference.

*It was stated that this particular battle between the Watchers and Celestials was a "cosmic war". It was stated that the army of Watchers were "facing off" against the Celestials. The F4 stated that they stumbled into a "major conflict".*

Clearly the Celestials/Watchers had been engaged in some sort of battle--hence the MULTIPLE comments.

Originally posted by zopzop
Uatu acted indirectly by manipulating the FF to do their dirty work. It was stated on panel.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
So no proof ? Thought so .

Originally posted by zopzop
When the fxxk would this come up in a comic involving Super Skrull?

Originally posted by zopzop

[QUOTE=13943161]Originally posted by TheGodKiller
[B]So no proof ? Thought so .

Originally posted by zopzop
When the fxxk would this come up in a comic involving Super Skrull? He duplicated their powers right down to how they acquired them. The only thing Defalco did was expand on the nature of her invisible force fields. That's it.

Since you have failed to provide definitive proof that the Skrull's powers derive from hyperspace as well , therefore in this case(based upon the Amazo analogy) , absence of evidence equates to evidence of absence .

Originally posted by Galan007
No, your merely provided your personal opinion.

The issue began at the end of the battle--after Exitar KO'd The One. Thus we didn't get to see hardly any of the action. However, these comments were made shortly after the F4 arrived:

*It was stated that this particular battle between the Watchers and Celestials was a "cosmic war". It was stated that the army of Watchers were "facing off" against the Celestials. The F4 stated that they stumbled into a "major conflict".*

Clearly the Celestials/Watchers had been engaged in some sort of battle--hence the MULTIPLE comments.

Uatu manipulated IW because he knew that despite their vast cosmic power, the Watchers were no match for this amped Exitar. He [Exitar] had just KO'd the most powerful member of the Watcher race, after all. Sue was the ONLY being capable of manipulating Hyperspace energies in such a specific manner (as Nathaniel explicitly stated.)

So there's no on panel proof that they fought directly just statements? We've seen Watchers are allowed to defend themselves from attack without directly initiating hostilities or attacking.

Nathaniel was talking about of those present during that encounter (Lyja, Human Torch, etc..), the IW was the only one with hyperspace abilities.

Uatu and the Watchers have vast psionic and energy manipulating abilities but they can't mimic the IWs abilities? You are as much a hack as Hickman and Defalco are.

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Since you have failed to provide definitive proof that the Skrull's powers derive from hyperspace as well , therefore in this case(based upon the Amazo analogy) , absence of evidence equates to evidence of absence .

The Super Skrulls powers DO NOT DERIVE FROM HYPERSPACE. Neither do the IWs. They are BOTH derived from exposure to COSMIC RAYS. The nature of her Force Fields was later explained to be hyperspace related. That's it. Fail more.

Originally posted by zopzop
I just TOLD you how the Super Skrull got his powers. He duplicated the FF right down to how they acquired their powers in the first place. Nothing changed.

Originally posted by zopzop
So there's no on panel proof that they fought directly just statements?

*It was stated that this particular battle between the Watchers and Celestials was a "cosmic war". It was stated that the army of Watchers were "facing off" against the Celestials. The F4 stated that they stumbled into a "major conflict".*

Clearly the Celestials/Watchers had been engaged in some sort of battle--hence the MULTIPLE comments... Are you seriously trying to say that they weren't fighting one another despite it being explicitly stated (multiple times) that a WAR between them had been taking place? Please tell me you're not sinking to such laughable lows just because you want to be right... Are you?

Originally posted by zopzop
Nathaniel was talking about of those present during that encounter (Lyja, Human Torch, etc..), the IW was the only one with hyperspace abilities.

Uatu and the Watchers have vast psionic and energy manipulating abilities but they can't mimic the IWs abilities? You are as much a hack as Hickman and Defalco are.

Frankly, you don't have a leg to stand on... These incessant childish remarks you've been making only solidify that.

Originally posted by Galan007
I know how he was created--just like I know how Amazo was created. You've no proof here, just opinion.

AGAIN:
The issue began at the [b]END of the battle--after Exitar KO'd The One. Thus we didn't get to see hardly any of the action. However, these comments were made shortly after the F4 arrived:

*It was stated that this particular battle between the Watchers and Celestials was a "cosmic war". It was stated that the army of Watchers were "facing off" against the Celestials. The F4 stated that they stumbled into a "major conflict".*

Clearly the Celestials/Watchers had been engaged in some sort of battle--hence the MULTIPLE comments... Are you seriously trying to say that they weren't fighting one another despite it being explicitly stated that a WAR between them had been taking place? Please tell me you're not sinking to such laughable lows just because you want to be right... Are you?

Considering thousands of Watchers were also present, they would have been included in Nathaniel's blanket comment. Crikey, you're acting like Nathaniel put a cap on that statement--he didn't. You are just making that up.

Frankly, you don't have a leg to stand on... These incessant childish remarks you've been making only solidify that. [/B]

I also told you, the Watchers are allowed to defend themselves if attacked without breaking their oath. The Celestials were the ones that initiated the hostilities by killing The One.

Dude Nathanial was talking to Sue and crew when he made that statement. You even have the scan. 🙄

The "childish" remarks are a result of your childish comments. I just stooped to your level.

Originally posted by zopzop
The Super Skrulls powers DO NOT DERIVE FROM HYPERSPACE. Neither do the IWs. They are BOTH derived from exposure to COSMIC RAYS. The [b]nature of her Force Fields was later explained to be hyperspace related. That's it. Fail more. [/B]

Where exactly was it mentioned that the Super-Skrull(K'lrt) was exposed to cosmic rays ?
I don't recall it being mentioned ANYWHERE in his original appearance(F4#18 v1):

However , if a different incarnation of SS is mentioned as having been exposed to the exact same IDENTICAL cosmic rays , which the original FF were , then I'll retract this point .

Hell , here he mentions that his flames are actually made of anti-matter :

Last time I checked , Johnny's flames weren't made of anti-matter .

So again , I ask you , on what basis do you presume that his force-fields are derived from hyperspatial energy(let alone hyperspatial energy of the exact same harmonic chord which can harm Celestials) ?

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Where exactly was it mentioned that the Super-Skrull(K'lrt) was exposed to cosmic rays ?
I don't recall it being mentioned ANYWHERE in his original appearance(F4#18 v1):

However , if a different incarnation of SS is mentioned as having been exposed to the exact same IDENTICAL cosmic rays , which the original FF were , then I'll retract this point .

Hell , here he mentions that his flames are actually made of anti-matter :

Last time I checked , Johnny's flames weren't made of anti-matter .

So again , I ask you , on what basis do you presume that his force-fields are derived from hyperspatial energy(let alone hyperspatial energy of the exact same harmonic chord which can harm Celestials) ?

Originally posted by zopzop
I just TOLD you that both the IW and Super Skrull (and the rest of the FF) acquired their power from exposure to Cosmic Rays. That didn't change. The only thing Defalco did was expand on the nature of her IFFs.

Originally posted by zopzop
I also told you, the Watchers are allowed to defend themselves if attacked without breaking their oath. The Celestials were the ones that initiated the hostilities by killing The One.

Originally posted by zopzop
Dude Nathanial was talking to Sue and crew when he made that statement. You even have the scan.

No caps were placed on that comment--you're making that part up. Sue was the ONLY being capable of preforming this feat.

Originally posted by zopzop
The "childish" remarks are a result of your childish comments. I just stooped to your level.

Originally posted by zopzop

OK . That scan does mention that his body is "equipped with power-receptors which are able to gather the same cosmic energy which mutated the F4 , and mimic the function of their powers"

Note the word "function" instead of "nature" . This seems to break your claim that the nature of his powers is also identical to the original's(when it isn't and my anti-matter scan is proof of this) .

Originally posted by Galan007
So still no proof? Cool.

They were engaged in WAR--this was stated multiple times. It is a laughable opinion to think that the Watchers weren't fighting back, in lieu of these comments... But hey, if you want to be right so badly that you're willing to overlook on panel evidence, then go for it... 👆

It was a blanket comment, dude:
"You AND YOU ALONE can reach the proper harmonic chord to rupture this alien shell!"

No caps were placed on that comment--you're making that part up. Sue was the ONLY being capable of preforming this feat.

At no point in time have I insulted you. I have been exceedingly civil. I only ask the same in return. 🙂

Yes a war initiated by the Celestials. Watchers are allowed to defend themselves if attacked without breaking their oath. So that "War" comment is meaningless since the Watchers could have been doing what they have been doing all along. If the threat of Maelstrom's universal black hole didn't force them to act against him and the threat of Thanos with the IG (both far more powerful than the Celestials) didn't force their hand, what makes you think they were actively attacking the Celestials?

It was NOT a blanket comment, the ONLY people present when he was speaking those words were the FF. 🙄

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
OK . That scan does mention that his body is "equipped with power-receptors which are able to gather the same cosmic energy which mutated the F4 , and mimic the [b]function of their powers"

Note the word "function" instead of "nature" . This seems to break your claim that the nature of his powers is also identical to the original's(when it isn't and my anti-matter scan is proof of this) . [/B]

This does not change how her power or the FFs power or the Super Skrulls power were derived. Understand? It's right there in black and white.

Originally posted by Galan007
So still no proof? Cool.

Actually there is proof to the contrary . I just showed a scan in which the Skrull's flame is shown to be made of anti-matter(unlike Johnny's) . So its safe to say that while the function of his powers is similar to that of the FF's , the nature is not .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Actually there is proof to the contrary . I just showed a scan in which the Skrull's flame is shown to be made of anti-matter(unlike Johnny's) . So its safe to say that while the function of his powers is similar to that of the FF's , the nature is not .

Originally posted by zopzop
OMF Christ. Dude the FF's powers are derived from cosmic rays. Do you understand this? The Super Skrulls powers are derived from cosmic rays. The NATURE of the IW's force field was LATER (MUCH MUCH LATER) explained to be hyperspace related.

This does not change how her power or the FFs power or the Super Skrulls power were derived. Understand? It's right there in black and white.

And its right there in black and white as well , that the power-receptors only enable him to mimic the "function" of their powers . The word "nature" isn't mentioned , and the anti-matter flame scan which I provided proves that the nature of his powers is in all likelihood dissimilar to that of the FF's .

Originally posted by zopzop
You showed nothing. What is the context of that scan? What issue did it take place in?

I did show something . I have already provided the name of the title in the post in which that scan is originally posted . That was a demonstration of his powers . Here's the whole scene(about his flame powers) :